Comment on Bitwarden has launched a new authenticator app

Concave1142@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• brrt@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And where would you store your Bitwarden login TOTP if you used their service instead of self hosting?

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And what happens if your Bitwarden account gets compromised? Now you’ve lost both factors at the same time.

    No, I’ll keep my 2FA separate from my password manager, thank you very much.

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    • SuperFola@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Good luck getting your vault compromised.

      Unless you have a weak password or the vault isn’t encrypted (which it is, AES256 iirc and you might be able to change that on a self hosted version), I don’t see that happening.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Most password manager hacks don’t attach the encryption or password themselves (my password is very long), they find/create a side channel. For example:

        • keylogger attack to grab password manager password
        • social engineering to reset a password
        • attack the server to intercept passwords

        Every secure system can be defeated, but it’s a lot less likely that two secure systems will be defeated at the same time. So I keep my passwords and second factors separate. It’s unlikely that either will be compromised, and incredibly unlikely that both will be compromised at the same time.

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• aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You’re right, it does. This is a head-scratcher.

  I guess they already had the TOTP code written, so creating a standalone app was trivial, but what’s the point?

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  • ma11ie@lemmy.one ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Security-wise it’s not a good idea to keep passwords and 2FA codes in the same client as it then becomes a single point of failure. A standalone authenticator app resolves that as long as it’s not unlocked with the same master password. A standalone app also opens a venue for non-BW customers to get on their platform.

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    • Reawake9179@lemmy.kde.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s not a good idea to keep both on the same device, but i wouldn’t use it at all if it was a struggle

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    • EngineerGaming@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Would it count if the application is the same but all the TOTP is handles by a different database with a different passphrase?

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      • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Depends on how they got broken

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  • kevincox@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    TOTP code is like 5 lines. The hardest part is writing the seed to disk.

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  • 4am@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    TOTP in the Bitwarden Vault is a paid feature. The standalone app is free, and doesn’t even require a Bitwarden account.

    This allows free tier users a way to use TOTP without upgrading, and without needing to trust Google Authenticator or something else.

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  • Vilian@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    thd totp in the default application is paid and that isn’t

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  • SuperFola@programming.dev ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Because you can enable totp on your Bitwarden account and it would be dumb to store the password and totp for your biwarden vault in your vault?

    Also it can act as a stepping stone for non Bitwarden customers, before getting their own vault.

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