Comment on You don’t realize how bad it smells till you quit

• Commander_Keen@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• TwilightKiddy@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You can start with the Wikipedia article. The problematic part here is that we have no long-term studies about vaping and even less studies about people who exclusively vape. There are plenty of studies that indicate that there is a lot of nasty stuff mixed in the aerosol that vapes produce, like this one.

  Another thing is that people who are selling these are the same people who sell tobacco and they have decades of experience mudding the research field.

  I in general despise vaping as it made a lot of younger people pick up nicotine and it is far more addictive when you are young.

  And, well, yes, I am exaggerating with that statement, but the problem is that we don’t know for certain. Substitution therapy exists, but I just can’t support it when whatever you are using is wildly underresearched.

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  • Mnem667@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Pretty sure no legitimate nicotine vapor devices ever used or contained vitamin e.
    Nor will they.
    Sure, there’s some unknowns in the industry, but it’s been around for 20 years now. The basic forms of e liquid are all GRAS, and unless you are burning the cap out of your coil or using nonstandard ingredients, this is a much safer means of nicotine compared to smoking.
    No one in their mind will say it’s safe or healthy, but it’s a means of lowering risk.

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    • TwilightKiddy@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      legitimate

      Yea, THC vapes are also illegal in most jurisdictions. People still buy and use them.

      there’s some unknowns in the industry, but it’s been around for 20 years now

      Yet I know of no studies that would look into health of people who are exclusively vaping across even a 5 year span. It’s not “some unknowns”, we barely know anything about it.

      e liquid are all GRAS

      This is one of the most wild takes I’ve heard. Something being safe to eat or put on your skin does not mean you can inhale it and expect no harm. One of the most common examples would be benzaldehyde, which is used as a food additive and in vapes, as a gas it causes irritation to respiratory passages.

      The worst part is that sometimes you don’t even have to specify a lot of it in the list of ingredients. You can read article 4.2.2.1 of this document, for example.

      much safer means of nicotine

      And nicotine patches beat both of those by a mile in this regard.

      it’s a means of lowering risk

      The best way of lowering the risk is using proper, well established methods for quitting smoking before resorting to something like vaping.

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    • axolotl_cpp@feddit.it@feddit.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      People also forget about the products of the combustion of the substances in normal cigarettes, when you burn them, all that shit gets even worse (eg: tar)

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