Comment on Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths

• kava@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Your thought experiment doesn’t work. I wouldn’t accept any position where my family members die and beyond that, it’s immaterial to the scope of discussion.

  Let’s examine various different scenarios under which someone dies in a car accident.

  1. human driver was negligent and causes a fatal car accident.

  Human gets criminal charges. Insurance pays out depending on policy.

  2. human driver was not negligent and causes a fatal car accident.

  Human does not get criminal charged. Insurance pays out depending on policy

  3. AI driver causes a fatal accident.

  Nobody gets criminal charges. Insurance pays out depending on policy.

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  You claim that you would rather have 20,000 people die every year because of “accountability”.

  Tell me, what is the functional difference for a family member of a fatal car accident victim in those 3 above scenarios? The only difference is under 1) there would be someone receiving criminal charges.

  They recieve the same amount of insurance money. 2) already happens right now. You don’t mention that in the lack of accountability.

  You claim that being able to pin some accidents (remember, some qualify under 2) on an individual is worth 20,000 lives a year.

  Anybody who has ever lost someone in a car accident would rather have their family member back instead.

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  • exanime@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Your thought experiment doesn’t work

    The point of a thought experiment is to think about that proposition, not to replace with whatever you think makes sense

    3. AI driver causes a fatal accident.

    Nobody gets criminal charges. Insurance pays out depending on policy.

    Now here is my concern… You are reducing a human life to a dollar amount just like Ford did with the Pinto. If Mercedes (who is apparently liable), decides they are making more money selling their cars than paying out to people injured or killed by their cars, what’s left to force them to recall/change/fix their algorithm?

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    • kava@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      PS: I also never claimed I rather have 20000 more people die for accountability…

      You said it’s not a question of how much safer it is. You said it’s a question of accountability. So even if it were 50% safer, you claimed it was wrong.

      And here’s the thing man, I understand where you’re coming from ij that you shouldn’t reduce a life to numbers. But how does AI driving fundamentally change the current situation?

      Car companies already do this. They calculate whether or not fixing a safety problem will cost more or less than the lawsuits from all the dead people. There’s a famous documented case of this. Maybe it’s the Ford / Pinto thing you are referencing.

      If you think of AI driving as a safety feature - like seatbelts - would you support it? I don’t know what the actual statistics are, but presumably it’s only going to get better over time.

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