Comment on [Discussion] What tragic anime has the best storywriting?
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
My favourite tragic anime would be Sword Art Online if all they adapted was the seventh book, Mother’s Rosary, but since it started as a .hack//SIGN knockoff, it’s not really tragic, it’s just redundant. I say that as a fan — I mean, they’re both a stack of MMO tropes from the 90s. SAO is actually good, though. But you can’t call it tragic because of seven episodes, unless you also mean the stuff about the Moonlit Black Cats (i.e. the true mother of Kirito’s and Asuna’s child), the fate of Eugeo, and a few other things. Anyway, I still think it’s well written, though, more so the books than the anime. (I swear, I’m a fan, I just never drank the Kool-Aid.) (Also, season 4 was fine.) (Really calling down the thunder with that last one. It’s like telling Tokyo Ghoul fans the second season was better than the first.)
But my real favourite tragic anime is Your Lie in April. Does it have the best writing though? I mean, they signpost the ending in the OP of the first cour. That’s not very good. Love it to death though. A close second is Angel Beats!, but the ending kinda confused me a bit. That’s gonna be the honourable mention.
For my money, it’s Clannad, but Clannad isn’t without its problems. First, the name. The anime is named after Enya’s family’s band, over in Ireland, but has nothing to do with them. They thought the band name meant “family” in Gaelic so they rolled with it, and did not change the name when they were corrected. They just doubled down, so we have an anime called Clannad that has nothing to do with Clannad. THIS is Clannad: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zHTcxVjX0I Yeah, you’ve heard it before. I think it’s a law in Eire (Ireland), if you make a movie about Irish people, it has to have Theme From Harry’s Game by Clannad in it. You get an exception if you use another Clannad song, an Enya song, or a U2 song. I’m sure that’s a law. Okay, anyway, there’s also this kinda bullshit thing the second season has going on that makes no sense. And the ending is dumb. But they tried. It was based on a visual novel (one of those point and click games where you try to get your character to bang the girl you think is the hottest), except it was sad. If you ditch the ending and you ignore the robot stuff, yeah, it’s pretty solid.
If you’re not willing to make those concessions, it’s Angel Beats!. Your Lie in April had the better ending, and probably has the best ending of any anime, ever, at least since Sword Art Online got a third season. We can’t say best show ever, because Six Feet Under is still a thing. I mean holy shit, if you wanna get wrecked and don’t mind live action, the first 55-ish episodes won’t hurt you much, but those last few, and especially the last 10 minutes of the last one… I’m still not okay hearing that Sia song. (Though it’s awesome and I love how they did the video.)
I’m gonna need more explaination on the girl from the Black are being Yui’s mother. I’ve read the first three books and watched all of the show.
Also I quite liked Your Lie In April, I think Anohana could give it run for its money as far as the ending goes.
Sachi being Yui’s mother isn’t in the books. She wasn’t very well described in the books, so when abec (pronounced ab-eh-she) went to draw her, fans pointed out she looked an awful lot like Sachi, and formulated the theory that while both Kirito and Asuna needed the child to bring them together, Asuna really only required that the child be a girl because of her daddy issues (favouring her brother, which was in the books), and she needed to look like Sachi to keep Kirito grounded in his promise to protect others. Yui and Sachi were never meant to be connected in the books (and Sachi’s entire story wasn’t in the first two books, it was a side story in the 8th book, so no way was Yui originally meant to be based on Sachi as she came first). However, someone presented abec with the theory (and maybe Reki Kawahara?) and he/they said they liked the theory but it wasn’t canon. There may even be a note about it (like “I swear I didn’t base her on Sachi”) in the art book.
Yui’s true parent is the Cardinal system, the AI which runs the original death game. But it’s been theorised that she was modeled after Sachi to nail the point to Kirito. Also, Kirito had a younger sister whose relationship with had soured, so he wasn’t gonna take on some random little girl unless he had a good reason to. And he kinda does, he treats her as a stray dog Asuna brought home, but warms to her later. Like “aww how cute, you can keep it if you take care of it” kind of thing. But then he fell hard for her and went to some pretty crazy lengths to protect her and now that’s his child.
But yeah, put Yui and Sachi side by side. Age aside, I think the biggest difference is, one has a mole and the other doesn’t.
They’re remaking the first arc of SAO in movies. If they ever get to Yui, even odds they make that connection. I mean, it was right there all along. Kind of like how Game of Thrones fans had Jon Snow’s parentage figured out way before the reveal (I mean in the books, but also in the show). Except I think that was always intended.
mo_lave@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
Since you mentioned YLIA, the ending really resonated on me on a personal better? Like yours, the writing isn’t the best, though it’s up there. The tragic-related subplot in A Place Further Than The Universe is written better. Clannad is too convoluted. I wouldn’t consider Takopi’s Original Sin either because of its ending. Steins;Gate? Yeah, sure, because I’m an OkaMayu shipper, but the multiple worldlines in that story makes the tragedy less clearcut.
That leaves a clear winner of “best tragic storytelling” after some thought: Maquia. All of the movie led up to its climax, and it paid off hard.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
I’ve seen most of those. I didn’t really consider Maquia because it’s a film, though it is an anime.
My problem with Maquia is that you knew what it was going to do right from the start. Elves live forever and they avoid entanglements with the lesser races because losing generation after generation of them as you never age is heartbreaking. Lord of the Rings did it, D&D is based on that, and, like, everything with elves is about the tragedy of their longevity. So when Maquia sets itself as “exiled elf adopts human child,” most of us knew exactly how that was going to play out. And it did.
But the ending still kicks your arse. And I love it. I felt like some of the writing in the middle was weaker, it kinda dragged on and I found it difficult to stay engaged with it. Then the ending happened and I had a feeling it was gonna be one thing, and it was actually a slightly different thing.
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When Maquia sees the child and you think it’s her adoptive child’s child, but no, it’s his grandchild and you’re like OH… she really stayed gone two full generations… and then that line at the end. I’m sorry, I’m gonna post it, if you clicked the spoiler, you bought the ticket. Now you’ve gotta take the ride. I had to remember it, so now you do, too. “I’m sorry. But your mom… is going to break her promise.”
mo_lave@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
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