Comment on please defederate from exploding-heads.com and rammy.site

• poweruser@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Very well said. This is why I am also in favor of “defederating over political preference”.

  Tolerating intolerance leads to violence but deplatforming actually does work to reduce harm.

  We should defederate from hateful and abusive instances

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  • vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Being intolerant to intolerance also leads to violence. More often then you think.

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    • jbsegal@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Would you have examples of this? Thanks!

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• wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Seems pretty free to me. For example assuming your take, it will continue to exist even if you avert your eyes.

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  • MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t think you understand my take, but yes, it will continue to exist if i simply avert my eyes, however their content will reach and radicalize fewer people if they are defederated, and that means fewer people in favor of suppressing and killing minorities.

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    • wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you’re saying the members of exploding-heads are in favor of and encouraging killing minorities, then no, I don’t understand. And so far you’re the only one who jas suggested killinh minorities.

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      • MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And so far you’re the only one who has suggested killing minorities, so I’d argue you seem a bit extremist.

        I’m a bit slow so your trolling was working on me until this statement. Go fuck yourself.

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    • ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      however their content will reach and radicalize fewer people if they are defederated

      The bullshit part of this purity ideology is where “people” are presumed to be innocent rubes who can’t think for themselves and who will be forever tainted if they are contaminated by even a drop of Wrongthink.

      I’m not interested in having my information environment manipulated by technocrats for “my own good.”

      And then there’s the other not-small issue: if “their” “content” is so good at “radicalizing” “people,” maybe you should be addressing the substance of the content instead of engaging in definitionally futile campaigns to conceal its existence.

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      • MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s only bullshit if you’re naive about human nature and ignore the entire concept of memetics.

        As an example, Flat Earthers exist, and are continually indoctrinated via a whole ecosystem of blogs, videos, and online communities.

        You can take some of these flat earthers, once indoctrinated, show them clear experimental evidence to the contrary, and fail at convincing them the earth is round. With enough googling you can find videos of this on youtube, it’s quite amazing to watch the denial in action in the face of clear evidence.

        As the saying goes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I’d rather just delete the flat earth videos than spend 20k and a weekend to launch a gopro into space to convince someone the earth is round, and still fail at convincing them because the gopro uses microchips from the globe-heads that manipulate the real flat-earth imagery into being round.

        The futility is in trying to get the cat back in the bag, not in keeping the bag closed.

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      • nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And then there’s the other not-small issue: if “their” “content” is so good at “radicalizing” “people,” maybe you should be addressing the substance of the content instead of engaging in definitionally futile campaigns to conceal its existence.

        This is something that has been proven beyond impractical. Hate and disinformation campaigns have been practicing a digital gish-gallop for years, which is only increasing in pace with the wide availability of LLMs and other generative AI. The bar that you propose is rather absurd and would only be remotely achievable with those acting in good faith, which hate and disinformation campaigns do not.

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