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MrJameGumb@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• SJ0@hilariouschaos.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The state isn’t the only or even the best way to enforce things. Culture and society are the things that enforce many cultural norms.

  Now maybe you might ask “why should society enforce monogamy?”, but to me the real question is, “do you hate most women and most men?”

  If we don’t enforce monogamy at a societal level, the alternative seems to quickly become powerful men acquiring massive harems, and many men never getting a chance to be in a sexual relationship of any kind. The consequence is that the women are treated like garbage because they’re just one of many in a powerful man’s harem, and many of the men go crazy and become increasingly extreme in an attempt to secure their future. We see this in some African countries where old men treat their many wives like trash and young men are ruthless and violent because they have no chance of participating in a key piece of the human experience through normal means.

  “The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.”

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  • MrJameGumb@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So… You believe that pre-arranged enforced rape victims would be a good thing? Is that seriously the argument you’re making? Is this a late April Fools joke? Are you trolling me?

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    • SJ0@hilariouschaos.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, you’re just indoctrinated by bullshit and it’s making you say insane and stupid things.

      If you think that monogamy means you get to rape your partner, then you probably shouldn’t be in any relationship under any system ever because clearly consent is something you have a fuzzy concept of. You can stay in incel town where you belong.

      Monogamy is a system of relationships where you and another person agree that while you’re in a sexual relationship you won’t have sexual relationships with other people. Under such a system, if you have sexual relationships with other people while already in one relationship it’s called cheating and it’s frowned upon. You can have sexual relationships with other people, but first you need to end the relationship you’re in.

      The enforcement of monogamy isn’t forcing people into being in a relationship. It’s the enforcement of monogamy as the general way of having relationships rather than something like polygamy or a sexual free for all. Under monogamy, there’s lots of men and women who aren’t in relationships for a variety of reasons, and there’s nothing at all inherent in monogamy that suggests you must be in a relationship, any more than there being anything inherent in polygamy that suggests you must be in a relationship.

      Marriage in the west is a form of enforced monogamy. There is no law saying you can’t cheat on your husband or have a side boyfriend or girlfriend, and in fact a surprising number of marriages practice polyamory or other forms of sexual relationships but society expects that if you choose to marry someone then you’re going to be faithful to the other person. Under the European nuclear family model, there is no one ‘arranged’ to do anything – certainly not by the state. Young men go out and try to meet women, and a woman chooses who she wants to marry, and then they get married. The way that it is enforced is that you’ll face social disapproval if you cheat on your husband or wife. If your friends know that you are married, and they see your husband or wife kissing someone who isn’t you, they’ll come back to you and let you know, and if it gets out that you cheated on your spouse then you could lose social standing including losing friends because they don’t respect what you did.

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      • MrJameGumb@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ok, this is definitely a troll. Good one bro, you got me lol

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