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mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 months agoMaybe we need to look at what France and Germany are doing with their system and copy them.
Non starter, sorry. Mention the P word in the same sentence as the NHS and get wrecked. It’s so stupidly dumb, but it’s not even a viable topic to discuss. It’s one below a hate crime.
jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Because it’s nearly always done disingenuously. The Tories say this and then get US health companies ready for a fire sale. They have been running down the NHS, “starving the beast”, to try and reduce public support for it so they can sell it. (To their US mates)
The reality is France and Germany have put more in for longer, so got more.
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mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 months ago
There’s that aspect, I do agree. But then there’s also the aspect that any discussion of this gets shut down and never spoken about seriously in any public debates. When was the last time you heard a sensible pro and cons debate on the French or German model on, say, Question Time? It usually gets derailed by someone claiming that mentioning these other systems equals privatisation from the US.
Actually, when was the last time you heard a sensible debate on anything on QT?
jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Money is clearly the big issue. It’s been underfunded for a long time, so will need more to catch up.
Anything else is almost just fiddling round the edges, or worse, an excuse to sell it to Tory’s funders. Other European more private systems are just a bait and switch because it’s US companies who’ll come in.
mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2 months ago
I don’t have anything against US companies on principle. I think it’s sad that the bogeyman argument is used when talking about the NHS like this. As in, “if we allow US healthcare companies to participate then the NHS will die”.
Whilst we’re talking about principles, free at the point of use is the NHS principle. So as long as it’s free at the point of use I don’t actually mind if it’s US, UK, European, Japanese, Indian, South African, or any other country’s company providing the care. I also don’t mind if our funding model changes to address this like European countries.
The NHS is built on strong principles and regulations, but that’s doesn’t mean it can never change or be flexible. That’s kinda the point of principles… they’re robust enough to apply to many situations.
Can we do that and move towards a more French German model? That’s what I’d love to hear a debate on without people being shouted down as US healthcare apologists. Nobody wants the US healthcare system, not even the Yanks.