Comment on Why don't we hear more about the 2017 Las Vegas shooting? It was the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, we never found a motive, and it seems no one ever mentions it.

• John_McMurray@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  ? The fuck? The statistics don’t show anything like that and it’s not polite to discuss what they really show.

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• Syn_Attck@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf

  Based on data compiled by the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program, it found that while Black people make up 13% of the U.S. population, they were 33% of persons arrested for non-fatal violent crime (NVC), which includes rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and other assaults. Black people were 36% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes (SNVC), including rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

  Similarly, Hispanics make up 18% of the US population and were 21% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes. Whites, who are 60% of the population, were 46% of persons arrested for non-fatal violent crimes, and 39% of those arrested for serious non-fatal violent crimes.

  The designation “Black” and “white” often did not include those who are Hispanic. In 9% of single-offender incidents and 12% of multiple-offender incidents, the victim was unable to tell whether the offender was Hispanic.

  The study compared the UCR statistics with those from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). Whereas the UCR relies on reports of criminal arrests submitted by law enforcement officials to the FBI, the 2018 NCVS was based on interviews from 151,055 U.S. households. Thus, the NCVS identifies crimes that are not reported to law enforcement. In the 2018 NCVS, Blacks accounted for 29% of violent crime perpetrators in 35% of the violent crimes reported to police. By comparison., the UCR statistics showed Blacks were 33% of all people arrested for violent crimes.

  In the NCVS, whites accounted for 52% of violent crime perpetrators and 48% in those reported to police. The UCR showed whites accounting for 46% of the people arrested for NVC.

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  • Telodzrum@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Arrests and convictions are not a valid proxy for violent acts or crimes committed. If you knew absolutely anything about this area of study you’d be aware of that. Have fun with your willful ignorance.

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    • Syn_Attck@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So the victims say the perpetrator is a white man; police arrest black male. I’ll wait for you to link to the 4 times that’s happened as if it’s a checkmate.

      I’m sure you have the added statistics for convictions and they fully support what you’re saying. Pray tell, because your urban vs. rural violence is clearly not supported by the evidence.

      If they show the same? Curious about your reasoning for that, that doesn’t sound wildly racist.

      At the risk of sounding racist, I think it’s quite obvious that when you buy a foreign people from their homeland as a commodity (sold largely in part by warlords and warring tribes of the same race, by the way), treat them as chattle (literally) and forbid any written or oral history of their culture or familial past, while raping the women and killing the babies or selling them off, creating extreme intergenerational trauma, hatred, and injustice, and then continue treating them like shit even after the law says you can no longer treat them as less than human…

      You may have a societal problem on your hands that doesn’t resolve itself in a measly few generations.

      We need better support in this country in so many aspects. For women and men of all races and creeds. But until we break away from being an overly materialistic consumerist society, that won’t change. What we don’t need is a distortion of reality to fit a false narrative.

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    • PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Crime victimization survey is, and can be used in conjunction with crime justice system statistics.

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      • Syn_Attck@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks for being reasonably-minded.

        If nothing else, I’m finding discussions like these helpful in curating my Lemmy experience. If someone is spreading misinformation, ignoring evidence to the contrary, and refuses to provide an argument as to why they feel the way to do, even if it’s only a rationalization, then it’s clear they’re not (yet) capable of debate with critical thought and without emotions and social conditioning blinding them. I’ve never been one to block people but Lemmy is infested with groupthink in a way I’d never thought possible, it’s beyond reddit.

        Also any snark is highly frowned upon, unless it’s in favor of the groupthink, so that’s my own fault.

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• FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That is not what I said, nor is it true. While males are 97.7% of the NIJ’s Index of Mass Shooters, only about 50% were white which is lower than their proportion of the total population. However, depression amongst that demographic is higher and growing, and mental illnesses correlate highly with those who harm others and themselves, so I’m just saying the Vegas Shooter ticked every box on the proverbial check list.

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  • dumpsterlid@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    According to that link ~30% of the US population are white men but 52% of mass shootings are perpetrated by white men.

    How is this not evidence that white men are the most dangerous people in the US? Not in terms of being likely to commit a crime of desperation but rather to be an utter loser and decide to shoot a bunch of random people out of pure hate?

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    • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      71% of the USA is white.

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      • dumpsterlid@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What?

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    • John_McMurray@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Statistics are hard to understand huh?

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