Comment on Trans youth will no longer be prescribed puberty blockers, NHS England says

• BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why should I bother trying to educate you when you won’t even leave the article you’re arguing over?

  Puberty blockers have been well-studied and widely-used since the late 1980s. They have been routinely used to pause puberty in adolescents experiencing gender dysphoria, treat children who enter puberty too early and help adults living with a range of other medical conditions.

  Links included in the article btw. Go nuts. But please, by all means, tell me how we don’t have almost 40 years of research on this proving this policy is unnecessary.

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  • Murvel@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Both the health service in Sweden and Britain has recommended a complete stop to hormone blockers to children, citing lack of evidence to support the procedure.

    And yet here you are, with studies and shit, saying the complete opposite. Maybe you can take your ‘evidence’ (and no, the linked article is not an unbiased source) to them; they might change their minds. Seems to me the right course of action since you are so invested.

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    • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nah, you made the claim here, you have the onus of providing sources to back your claim first.

      Or, you can just refuse to, but it makes your claim weaker.

      That’s the way it works homie. If you make a claim, it can be challenged. If challenged, you’re supposed to back your claim up before saying “no, you”. If you can’t/won’t do that, you’re going to end up being ignored.

      Which is fine, nobody has to play by the rules of public discourse, but you can’t act surprised when you get dismissed out of hand after refusing to do so.

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      • Murvel@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        NHS recommendation (British health/social services):

        …england.nhs.uk/…/puberty-suppressing-hormones/

        Socialstyrelsen recommendation (Swedish health/social services):

        socialstyrelsen.se/…/uppdaterade-rekommendationer…

        They each provide sources that they base their decision on.

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  • Wanderer@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Doctors used to regularly treat patients with mercury and blood letting. Then more data came out to say it was bad so they stopped doing it. That’s how medicine works.

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    • ondoyant@beehaw.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      no, it wasn’t “more data”, it was just data. blood letting and mercury are pre-scientific treatments that were in use during the 1600s. puberty blockers were developed with a modern understanding of hormones, and extensively tested before they saw use in a clinical setting. you might as well have brought up magic as a legitimate medical practice that we eventually proved wrong. like, no duh, but it also has basically no bearing on the safety of a chemically synthesized hormone inhibitor invented in the 20th century.

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    • Lmaydev@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Those weren’t evidence based treatments to begin with. When we got evidence we stopped using them.

      Puberty blockers already have evidence. They’ve been used since the 80s.

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    • BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We still do bloodletting. They have medical leeches.

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      • Wanderer@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But they don’t do it for everything because things they did use it for they found out were bad, just like puberty blockers.

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