Comment on Russia’s Starlink use sparks probe into SpaceX compliance with US sanctions

Badeendje@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Endorkend@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  After explicitly denying the service to an ally.

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  • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Did Elon Musk Turn Off Starlink Access in Crimea To Disrupt Ukrainian Attack?

    Tl;dr: No.

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    • BossDj@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      More accurate TLDR of the article: He did explicitly deny it to an ally. Ukraine asked for it to be activated in Crimea and he said no.

      Whether he should have or not is up to interpretation. He claimed that US sanctions didn’t allow it, but another time said he was preventing war. Why he gets to decide at all is ???.

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      • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        He didn’t say he was preventing a war. Those are Isaacson’s words, not Elon’s. What Elon said is that enabling it would make SpaceX explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.

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    • Endorkend@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      TL Actually read it, Yes.

      I didn't say he deactivated it.

      I said he specifically declined to activate it for Ukraine when requested.

      He makes no such qualms about Russia using his service.

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      • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The question in the title is: “Did Elon Musk Turn Off Starlink Access in Crimea To Disrupt Ukrainian Attack?”

        The answer is no.

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    • wahming@monyet.cc ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s an interesting clarification. Never heard about it (and I’m guessing most other people didn’t either)

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      • w2tpmf@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s how propaganda works.

        Absolutely true facts can be published, but simply picking and choosing certain details to withhold completely changes the story.

        So pretty much what the vast majority of main stream media news does every day.

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• Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Who is profiting from this exactly? I don’t undestand why people keep spreading this disinformation when not a single single article, including the one above, makes no accusations of SpaceX being complicit in it anyway. The only thing they’re being critiziced for, or rather questioned about is wether they’re doing enough to track the terminals near the front lines and making sure they’re not being used by sanctioned parties.

  If you actually read the article you’d know that selling Starlink to Russia already is against the sanctions. It does not work in Russia or in the occupied territories. This is why the drone assault on the Crimea failed aswell. Not because Musk disabled Starlink but because it wasn’t enabled in the first place.

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  • STOMPYI@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hey… fuck elon… fuck all his fucking companies…

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    • TimeSquirrel@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Is this a rational discussion about what may be actually happening here in reality, or is this a circlejerk where everybody just repeats what we already know, which is that Elon sucks as a person? Let's not become Reddit.

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      • Endorkend@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If you actually read what I said rather than what he responded and actually read the link he posted, you'll see that I didn't say he deactivated anything, I said he denied the service for an ally.

        Elon explicitly denied to activate starlink in locations requested by Ukraine with a bullshit excuse that that would support war, while now making no qualms of Russia using the service for war.

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      • AtmaJnana@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • Buelldozer@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You are swimming upstream on this one. People know what they were told by biased headlines on Reddit last summer and they don’t want to hear anything else.

    What’s happening right now with Russian forces using Starlink is precisely why SL had the service disabled in the occupied territories and near the front lines in the first place!

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    • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Only dead fish swim with the current.

      It’s a tough pill to swallow, I give you that. For many people the entire “Elon Musk is Russian asset” narrative is build on this specific event and then any further findings that seem to support this are added on top of it. If a person believing in this narrative would then aknowledge that they were wrong about this one it removes the entire foundation from said belief and it all comes crashing down. It’s no wonder that it causes major cognitive dissonance on people and they then do all kinds of mental gymnastics to hold on to their false beliefs.

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      • Buelldozer@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Musk is an immature asshole with a Billionaire lifestyle. He was still everybody’s darling, even while playing an IRL Tony Stark, right up until he started working against the agenda of the TOOLs. (Terminally Online and Outraged Leftists).

        I’m neither Republican nor Conservative but dealing with the TOOLs that are clogging up every single Online space is exhausting.

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  • Badeendje@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Starlink. They sell more groundstations.
    So your argument is that it can’t be because it is turned off for specific regions.

    • we cannot check if it might be available for Russian forces.
    • the Russians use it so it must help them.

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    • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Starlink works near the front lines because otherwise Ukraine would not be able to use it either. However the front lines are constantly changing and you can’t expect anyone to be able to accurately track them at the resolution that would be required for SpaceX to make sure it immediately stops working once you move to the occupied side.

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      • Badeendje@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh no?! Requiring a multi billion dollar company that literally does rocket science, to actually take measures to not have the Russian military use their infra while invading another country. What a bizarre idea, no way this will be possible for these poor corporations.

        Maybe stop acting as if a poor company needs protecting. Most large corporations need a firm boot up their ass. Companies owned and operated under space karen need two!

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• jaybone@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In a shocking twist, it turns out the DOD is owned by the corporations.

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  • Badeendje@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    3 defense contractors in a trenchcoat.

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