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• nexusband@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is there really no alternative in shampoo & disposable coffee cups?

  There is - but i personally think it’s up to customers to not just grab what’s on the shelf and do at least some basic research, because PFAS generally have to be marked on the bottle. Disposable coffee cups are just stupid all together.

  This could have been done years ago but if industry can’t self regulate then bans it is.

  I get the sentiment, but why not regulate stuff, before just banning it? And while we’re at it, how about educating the customer?

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  • RainfallSonata@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re just shifting responsibility to the population that has no real control over the matter. That’s completely unethical.

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    • nexusband@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And you are arguing that customers become mindless drones that don’t need to think about any consequences when they consume. Which is exactly why we have fucked up the climate.

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      • RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You want everyone to know all of the ethical concerns involved in every kind of product, from its contents to its manufacture, transportation, packaging, et cetera? We’ll all be full-time students for decades before being allowed into a Walmart, I guess. Maybe that’ll bring back smaller shops, with only a Master’s degree in Ethical Shopping required.

        For reference, a quick search turns up estimates of 120,000+ product SKUs on Walmart shelves. Kindof a lot to keep track of, no? And no, you’re not permitted to respond with some “Oh, just don’t be stuck in a shitty life/place where you’re stuck buying corporate ‘products’” crap or else I will post a vomiting emoji at you.

        There’s a lot of stuff to keep track of and “free” time is intentionally kept minimal so maybe don’t blame people for not knowing their shampoo is environmentally unethical whilst they’re worrying about their car that’s in the shop because the airbags are more lethal than most crashes, they’re just now learning to avoid potatoes in their diet ( 😭 ), their boss is making them work asinine hours, and they’re still busy researching the sixty thousand products from the left half of the only shop in their area.

        tl;dr: How the roasted goat bollocks is anyone supposed to “know better” for absolutely everything in life? Maybe it’s fair to hope for some help on these things.

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      • Nudding@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Customers are already mindless drones lol wtf are you talking about?

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  • BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    People any afford rent and groceries anymore. You expect them to voluntarily look up what’s going on with all the brands they are thinking about buying so they can choose the more expensive option? The only way to cut these oit is heavy regulation and punishment to corporations using these chemicals unnecessarily.

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    • nexusband@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve been wondering for quite some time why everything is going to shit. Now I think I get the picture. Thanks for the enlightenment.

      And yes, I fucking expect people to think about their decisions and take responsibility serious - even if they don’t have the means to get caviar or Champagne all the time. But hey, I’ll probably be labeled as boomer in the next few years, so whatever floats your boat!

      Judging by all these downvotes, I guess that ship has sailed a long time and maybe I shouldn’t care so much 🤔

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      • BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re getting downvoted for being a moron who thinks that the free market will get ride of dangerous substances and business practices. The general public hates pretty much every major company, yet they all keep getting bigger and stronger because most people simply cant avoid it. There is still slavery at every step of coffee production despite literal decades of “fair trade” branding on coffee. Hell, people have known for 60 years that cigarettes cause cancer, yet millions of people have been born, started smoking, and died of lung cancer since all cigarettes are required to be labeled with “smoking causes cancer”. But you expect the average consumer to stop buying products that don’t directly harm them and cause damage to the environment instead.

        The only solution is governments stepping in and regulating when PFAS and other forever chemicals can be used. If 3M decides to outsource production to countries that allow for those chemicals, punish them and forbid those products from being imported. We have 40 years of proof that neoliberalism and free markets are useless for anything other than making the most powerful corporations shit tons of money. The only systemic problems that we managed to solve in that time are acid rain and the ozone depletion from CFC pollution, and those were only solved by government mandated phaseouts of dangerous chemicals.

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  • Lutra@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Here’s a subtle thing…we say both the manufacturers and consumers have choices.

    The manufacturer has the choice between all the thousands of possible ways to deliver a product, and picks one or two. A consumer has the choice between those two. ( or do without )

    Those are all valid choices, but they are not alone of equal weight

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