for saying something reasonable
“Something reasonable” tends to be sexist, racist, bigoted, homophobic, transphobic, etc. in my observation.
Strangle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Most smart right wing people (not me obviously), long ago gave up trying to discuss anything important with the left.
It’s not productive, and everyone that I know has just gone to more private chats and channels and don’t even have social media accounts.
You get banned enough times for saying something reasonable, or constantly get called a nazi or something ridiculous and you just stop using those places to talk.
The separation and division has already happened. For anyone hoping to have a discussion with anyone who has different opinions than you do, that train has left the station.
There are bots, lots of them (I’m sure from the left and the right) and that’s it’s own problem. But I doubt we will ever see a place where people can just disagree anymore.
No one seems to have the balls to let these conversations happen on either side.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
OctopusKurwa@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Funny how they offered no examples of these “reasonable” arguments.
WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 11 months ago
Tbf, they're a self-acclaimed smart person who doesn't want to get banned. At least they haven't gotten themselves banned yet, so can't find fault with that statement yet.
muse@kbin.social 11 months ago
One of the last reddit posts I saw on unpopularopinion was someone self identified as being on the right, and how they were persecuted for their beliefs.
Literally her entire profile was them talking about the pros of meth, and saying some of the most bigoted shit I had heard in a bit, and attacking anyone slightly left of them in comments.
Duder167@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ah yes, the right wings reasonable arguments. Things such as “kids don’t deserve food” “Trans people shouldn’t exist” “LGBT doesn’t deserve the same things” “Slavery was good for the slaves”
If only we had the balls to really discuss this stuff instead of just calling it evil.
Your user note is now ‘right wing shit head’
Strangle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Except …. None of those things are true
But thanks for proving my point. This is why I (and no one else) should even bother with online public discussions
Allene@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So when Michael Knowles said “Transgenderism must be eradicated” That was not “Trans people shouldn’t exist”? Or when Italy decided to remove lesbian mothers from birth certificates, that is in fact not “LGBT people don’t deserve the same things”?
Duder167@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Or Florida updating history books to illustrate how slaves benefited from their position because they now know the skill of blacksmithing?
OctopusKurwa@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Don’t forget Florida changing the curriculum to show the “benefits of slavery”
Duder167@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The only point getting proven is you don’t even know the party you’re supporting. You said nothing I mentioned was the trust but that was just shit from the last few months. You’re wildly off the mark here and it showing big time.
Jimbo@yiffit.net 11 months ago
All of those things happened quite recently, you should keep up with the news if you’re gonna comment about this stuff
Strangle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t think you understand. We’ve checked out.
You guys are kinda on your own. I think we all prefer it that way right now.
Also, not being American is another weird wrinkle in all of this. American politics is seeping into Canadian politics, but we don’t have as many of the same problems around race and inclusion as you do.
But there are still conservatives north of the border who aren’t really caught up in what’s happening in Florida or California.
There is a difference between conservative, or right wing and Republican. You seem to think they are the same thing. Well I’m not a Republican
Sentrovasi@kbin.social 11 months ago
As someone who skews quite far left ideologically but believes that people on both sides have been painted into polarised caricatures in each others' minds by social media, I wholeheartedly agree.
JonVonBasslake@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fuck your enlightened centrism
WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The concept of enlightened centrism is nothing but a tool to drive people into extremism. How can you not see that?
linuxisfun@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Honestly, I have started to block political keywords on Mastodon (can’t do this on Lemmy unfortunately), because I am tired of the lack of nuance in online discussions and I am really not that interested in reading the same things over and over again.
People just group each other into two drawers marked “left-wing” and “right-wing” and that’s it. Some go even further and block instances with people they don’t completely agree with. In my opinion this stigmatisation just further and further divides people and will eventually result in less and less respect for each other (or should I say “hate towards each other”). If people would discuss more (without instantly putting words into the other side’s mouth), they might see that they share common ground on some topics, even though they disagree on others.
I am pretty confident that the political believes of most of the general public can’t be categorised into just two drawers. Most people probably have political views that are a mixture of different ideologies and they might not even know if those views are considered “left-wing” or “right-wing”.
Strangle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Exactly, this is what all of my conservative friends think too.
They are just tired of it all.
I have some left wing view points on things, I voted for Trudeau the first time he ran (I consider this a mistake now), I also have right wing view points on some things.
I’m not at all an activist, but it feels like online everyone is expected to be.
I use common sense, that’s all. I don’t see any of these kind of conversations happening out in the real world, we don’t sit around and argue about this stuff face to face. It only really exists online.
Sorry, but I agree with Chapelle “Twitter is not a real place”
WalrusDragonOnABike@kbin.social 11 months ago
Given rw bots are given free-reign over many political topics on mainstream sites, seems like there no issue with having conversations as long as the conversation is pro-corporate talking points on topics like climate change and the bots are overwhelmingly on the rw side of the issue.
The only area where people are likely to get banned is things like being overtly pro-genocide against groups other than all humans.
disposabletentacle@kbin.social 11 months ago
It's just very hard to find a compromise or "agree to disagree" when the topic of debate is something like should LGBT people be allowed to exist. The days are long past where the right/left divide was all about economic policy -- the divide lies along basic human values at this point. You're going to be hard pressed to find people who can engage with you calmly when you're defending a party whose primary concerns right now are stripping away civil rights from their least favorite human beings before all else.
Balssh@kbin.social 11 months ago
Yup, pretty much. And most of the times I've seen right wing people just come comment the most batshit crazy thing imaginable. This doesn't mean left wing lunatics don't exist too.
Strangle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is something people on the right just find absolutely ridiculous. No one. NO ONE, think LGBT people shouldn’t be allowed to exist.
This is a big part of the problem, another response to my comment said people who think like I do support genocide.
Like this just sounds so hyperbolic and absolutely laughably ridiculous that no one has the patience to put up with it. It’s not a discussion.
You think I want an entire group of people to not exist. You have been taught this from somewhere and it’s not true. But you’ll never realize that.
So what’s the point?
Jimbo@yiffit.net 11 months ago
Would you care so explain the policy changes right wing politicians are making then?
Strangle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
www.conservative.ca/pierre-poilievre/
This is who I’m voting for in the next Canadian election. I have a hard time disagreeing with anything Pierre Poilievre is campaigning on.
You can find a lot of him speaking in parliament on YouTube if you’re interested
bane_killgrind@kbin.social 11 months ago
But there are people recently that have said they should get stuck into asylums.
Does existing not include participating in society?
Strangle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t think gay or trans people shouldn’t participate in society. That doesn’t make any sense.
There are people that say a lot of crazy shit I don’t agree with, on the left as well.
Is there an argument that trans people need help? I think that’s pretty obvious. Is the help needed for the brain or the body? I think thats where a lot of disagreement comes from.
When I think about it, I can see why someone would think that surgery on a healthy body because the mind thinks it was born in the wrong body could be the wrong thing to do.
I don’t think that’s at all unreasonable. Most mental illnesses are treated by treating the mind.
And if your mind disagrees with the healthy body you were born in, I can see how the mine might be the place to start treatment, and not the body.
However, I also believe in adults being able to make their own decisions. Just as if someone wants to have cosmetic surgery to install horns in their head, or someone wants breast augmentation surgery, go fill your boots.
So if someone wants a surgeon to create a cosmetic neovagina forcthemselves and that would make them happy, go for it.