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• yggstyle@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If the wind blows, cut up pieces of art magazines around and then land in a pile. That isn’t art. It’s just cut-up pieces of someone else’s art.

  I can’t really agree with this example. I think you’re suggesting the AI is completely independent of human expression and is completely random in its application of its training data (the cut up pieces I suppose?)

  Generative AI is driven by a human prompt (description) and refined by further prompts which pushes the result in the direction of the prompters vision.

  If a person cuts up a magazine and pieces the parts together with intention and meaning. That can be art.

  This is in essence what is occuring above. I view this process as someone being provided a chisel and a block of stone:

  The sculpture is already complete within the marble block, before I start my work. It is already there, I just have to chisel away the superfluous material.

  -Michelangelo

  As I suggested above AI is a tool that makes accessing art and expression available to anyone. The Ai is the chisel. They cut the stone with words… It isn’t just random clipart being thrown around either: The ‘stone’ is the culmination of all of the art the model has ‘seen.’ It has taken that data and found the patterns that different styles contain. You might describe this as the distillation of human expression into something new.

  The source is art - human expression The prompt gives it form - human expression Further prompts drive the form to fit the users vision - human expression

  There is intent and meaning.

  Is it art in the traditional sense? Perhaps not in the same vein as ink and canvas but … I believe, while it is certainly rough and unrefined, it can still be considered a tool to create art.

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  • echo64@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you want, you can say that “prompt engineering” is an art. The act of engineering that prompts to get a picture, maybe that has a skill we might call art.

    But no, the jpeg isn’t art. It’s a million cut-up images formed to make our monkey brains go “I enjoy”.

    Do you do this prompt engineering? The last time I had this conversation it turned out I was talking to someone that called themselves an artist because they put words into an ai.

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    • yggstyle@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Let’s see if we can keep this civil, shall we?

      First and foremost the model isn’t compositing bits and pieces of other pictures - it’s predicting what the next pixel should look like based on its training data. It is generating the image. In laymans terms: it’s drawing based on what it has ‘learned’ by looking at other art. It’s pretty interesting honestly.

      I do have a background in art, though it is not my profession. Regardless of that- there are no requirements to create nor appreciate art.

      A few good excerpts from wikipedia:

      There is no generally agreed definition of what constitutes art, and its interpretation has varied greatly throughout history and across cultures.

      Art can connote a sense of trained ability or mastery of a medium. Art can also refer to the developed and efficient use of a language to convey meaning with immediacy or depth. Art can be defined as an act of expressing feelings, thoughts, and observations.

      Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Ours seem to differ- and that’s fine. My views are simple: if someone can express themselves through a medium- it is a form of art.

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      • echo64@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Prompt engineering may be a form of expression, but the ai generated images composed of copying what it saw previously and repeating is not art. It has no humanity in it. The brush strokes have nothing to say. It is really no different than the wind blowing about cut-up versions of other people’s art.

        If someone intentionally opens a window that allows the wind to blow in and shuffle up the cut-up art into a new image, that may be performance art, the act of opening the window. But the final result, which has no humanity to it, is not art. Will never be art.

        Prompt engineering is no different than opening that window and then letting the ai wind shuffle up everything it knew over and over until you find an esthetic you like. It’s not art. It will never be art. Because it fundamentally can not be art.

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