Mailinabox it works. You are in control.
Been using it for 2 years. No problems.
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EpicVision@monero.town 8 months ago
I wouldn’t actually selfhost email, it’s not particularly easy and there are many issues you will probably encounter. I recommend ProtonMail, it’s $3.50/month if you only need email and for $8/month you also get calendar, cloud storage, a password manager and a great VPN. Also, they are very focused on privacy and encryption and their apps are open source. Alternatively you can go with IVPN or Mullvad, both are great. Digitalocean has been fine in my experience, have you had any issues with it?
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BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 8 months ago
And mailbox.org is way better than Proton in my opinion.
After getting blown off by Proton support to fix their spam filter, I switched.
Night and day. Proton is amateur hour in comparison.
EpicVision@monero.town 8 months ago
As far as I can see on their website, they don’t end to end encryption or zero-knowledge encryption. If that is true, it means that they are able to read all your emails (and so can the government if they order them to reveal the data). They sometimes use some pretty confusing marketing slag in general. It’s misleading because they advertise things like in-transit TLS encryption, which is standard nowadays. Even Gmail, Outlook, iCloud, Yahoo and other mainstream email providers have this by default. This is nothing special and they hope that people think it means the same as E2EE. If you care about data ownership, you should also care about (end-to-end) encryption. Only when you are the only key holder, you can be sure that no one can access your private stuff.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 8 months ago
They don’t.
But they actually support their users, unlike Proton.
Their spam filter refused to filter emails, when I’d added an address(es). And then it filtered known-good addresses, repeatedly, for my notification system.
Support basically said “too bad”. No kidding.
Fortunately I was only testing Proton, and had other notification channels for service alerts.
They basically told me to fuck off. Ok, fine, I will.
And I will preach how shitty they are at every turn.
Fuck Proton.
denshirenji@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Nope. No issues whatsoever. DigitalOcean is great. Just curious what this community thought. My main concern is, again, one of choosing as ethical a solution as I can find. I cited Amazon because they are a nightmare company for many reasons and would rather not give them money. With that said, I would also like a service that I can rely on.
I am thinking about proton mail, but I want to try to host an email sever with one of my cheap throwaway domains to see if it would be worth self hosting for my main domain. That’s the other part of why I am choosing to self host. I am genuinely curious how stuff works under the hood.
EpicVision@monero.town 8 months ago
Sure, you go ahead and try it out for yourself to see if it works. Just wanted to let you know that selfhosting an Email server is not easy. Regarding ethics, I like Proton because they support privacy, open source software, and they never sold out to VC. Their website is accessible via Tor, they accept Bitcoin payments and they actually care about their users. That’s probably the most ethical email provider you can find.
erev@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Chiming in as another email self hoster; yes it comes with headaches but I can’t imagine it any other way. I use Mailinabox but am working on migrating over to the ISPMail setup. I don’t think that there’s any issues with self hosting mail and we need to stop discouraging it. There AIO solutions genuinely work well. If you’re concerned about stability then hold updates back until you can confirm that the newer versions are stable. Yes it is difficult and I don’t think most people should do it, but self hosters should be encouraged to do so if they feel capable and willing to take on the workload. We need more diversity in email hosting to prevent making it impossible. I also have no issues sending to large providers like gmail and the builtin nextcloud Integra is really nice. Unsure I’ll rebuild nextcloud but i might.
denshirenji@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why move to ISPMail over Mailinabox or Modoba or some other alternative?
ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 8 months ago
Well, as someone also self-hosting email I agree with his solutions but he paints a picture of how bad it is that I feel is a bit exaggerated. But then again I host for myself and my family, I suspect it gets a bit different when you have many users and send hundreds of mail per day.
Only one I’ve had trouble with it Microsoft, they’re the strictest and you need to get some support from them to make it work reliably. Google has an automated service.
denshirenji@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Thank you! I appreciate it.
jelloeater85@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, email is one of those things that’s better left to be someone else’s headache. DO and Vultr are great choices.
EpicVision@monero.town 8 months ago
Yeah Vultr is great