Comment on Man Found Guilty of Child Porn, Because He Ran a Tor Exit Node

housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• BadRS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s encrypted, encrypted many times over, it’s completely anonymous… as long as you’re staying inside the network. An exit node connects to the regular internet and that’s what’s going to start showing up on logs. This was completely secure for the people actually dealing in cp.

  I can’t believe this stuck, it’s the equivalent of arresting a business owner because someone distributed cp while connected to their Wi-Fi.

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  • wackster_fapster@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    CP laws (in the US and probably other places) fall under a doctrine called strict liability, which basically means that you’re guilty regardless of intent or even knowledge of an offense.

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    • BadRS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There isn’t a crime worse than hurting children. Does that mean we should allow law enforcement infinity leeway to punish these crimes and persue the offenders? I hate to ever give law enforcement any leeway as abuse is so common, but if someone is hurting children I don’t care how you stop it.

      Is hosting a tor exit nods with the knowledge that doing so might help pedophiles hurting children? That feels like too many layers to me. Too esoteric.

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• Jamie@jamie.moe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The high majority of websites are HTTPS, which means that the contents of requests are end to end encrypted. Technically if it’s just HTTP, it’s plaintext, but basically no sites operate outside of HTTPS anymore.

  All that stuff about everything you do being in the clear is outdated, and basically just VPN propaganda. The only parts of typical web browsing that aren’t encrypted are DNS resolutions, but DoH and encrypted DNS are starting to be a thing. In which case, your ISP/gov will know you’re accessing your bank’s site, but not what you’re doing on there because everything else is encrypted.

  Tl;Dr: Everything being plaintext is really outdated and is basically VPN propaganda. The majority of network traffic for most users is end to end encrypted already.

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  • housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That is not completely true. Often the payload is encrypted but not the metadata. It is the metadata that usually is the cause of privacy issues.

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    • Jamie@jamie.moe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think you might misunderstand what metadata is. The type of metadata you might be referring to are simply tracking methods employed on webpages by the likes of Facebook, Google, and other advertisers. But those are encrypted as well, they’re not open to view by anyone in the middle because they also utilize HTTPS. The vulnerability they pose is the potential for that data to be given up, or subpoenaed on the database end. There is no magic unencrypted data sent when dealing with accessing a website except, as mentioned, possibly the DNS query, which can be easily encrypted via DoH.

      Except, VPNs and Tor aren’t even magic bullets for privacy. The moment you log into a service, you lose your veil of privacy if your activities can be reasonably linked. To really remain private, you would need to use Tor Browser, likely over a VPN, preferably on a live booted system like Tails, and forego any usage of JavaScript or account logins. Doing anything different exposes you to tracking methods. Which removes you from using the majority of the Internet.

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      • beatle@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The Server Name Identification (SNI) standard means that the hostname may not be encrypted if you’re using TLS. Also, whether you’re using SNI or not, the TCP and IP headers are never encrypted. (If they were, your packets would not be routable.)

        stackoverflow.com/…/are-https-headers-encrypted#1…

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• astral_avocado@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  For is largely plain text

  Lol maybe do the barest amount of researching before commenting on something you know nothing about?

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• Blamemeta@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It was Australia

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