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• explodicle@local106.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  FYI both are valid definitions - if someone just says racism and seems to mean systemic racism, then they’re not wrong.

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  • xor@infosec.pub ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    something like webster will try to cover all uses of a term… so if people use it a certain way, it becomes valid…
    so really you’re just saying, “it’s not uncommon for people to use it that way, so it’s valid”
    which is basically true for the English language.
    HOWEVER that’s not what im talking about, i’m talking about people claiming that the other, more common definition of racism isn’t valid… and that the systemic racism definition is the only valid definition.
    and they’re definitely wrong if they claim that.
    btw, in the webster example, they still use qualifying terms… such as: institutional racism, structural racism, environmental racism… and then further clarifies it with: see also SYSTEMIC RACISM

    so sure, someone can use the term racism as a shorthand for systemic racism… totally fine, the meaning is conveyed… etc…

    but, no, they’re definitely wrong if they claim racism is only systemic racism…

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• jopepa@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t really understand your point. Portmanteaus and coining new words are useful in conveying complex concepts, though. If you wanted to have a conversation about parentification would you rather have one word to encompass that or have to say “the effect of having to be a care giver to your caregivers during your formative years” every time you need to reference that concept in the discussion.

  What makes that a mutilation instead of more efficient?

  The racism thing is confusing because racism encompasses both forms but there are specific descriptors for unique expressions of the same thing. Just like a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn’t necessarily a square. That’s not really redefining, systemic racism has been racism the whole time, too. We’re just aware enough to have discussions about the specific ways it effects society today.

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  • xor@infosec.pub ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    just like a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn’t necessarily a square.

    no, it’s not like that. the thing i’m arguing against is like saying a square isn’t a rectangle anymore…
    it’s saying racism is not discrimination based on someone’s perceived race, and that it’s only systemic racism.

    That’s not really redefining, systemic racism has been racism the whole time, too.

    no, it absolutely has not… there’s a reason “systemic racism” has “systemic” in it…
    it’s to make a distinction…
    you can say systemic racism is a subset of racism in general… but really it isn’t, it’s racism applied to a system.
    like, a car is not a subset of “blue”, but i can have a blue car…
    and you missed the end point where people claim it’s impossible to be racist against white people… when in fact it very much is possible and not that rare… (definitely not the biggest problem in the world, but it is a thing)

    and with “parentification”, because it’s just adding ification on the end to make it sound smarter, when “child parenting” or “children forced to do things they’re too young to do”
    or… anything other than that dumb term, which definitely hurts any attempts to discuss it and be taken seriously…

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    • jopepa@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “-ification” is a suffix about transformation and becoming so the word works fine. Your argument it is just anti-intellectualist opinion. So who cares?

      I wouldn’t say I’m an intellectualist, but I am an anti-anti-intellectualist. Doesn’t it makes me sound so smart? Your analogy isn’t one and your points make no sense. You’re shoe horning a white plight angle into this convo for no reason. You’re downvoting me for challenging you to better represent your point of view.

      So, good faith’s dried up, get bent asshole.

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      • xor@infosec.pub ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re shoe horning a white plight angle

        what in the flying fuck are you talking about?
        i even said “not the biggest problem” to make it very clear it’s not a problem… it’s just a matter of meanings of words.

        you getting all worked up over a conversation about word’s meanings and wordsmithing shows me more than i want to know about you…

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