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That’s probably all news to you,

No, I have youtube as well, it doesn’t make you a genius.

presumably because the techbro scene isn’t interested in things actually moving forward, what you’re interested in is jerking off to gadgetry, not public transport.

Lol. I’m interested in reducing our millions of road deaths in whatever way possible. You’re interested in jerking yourself off in the fuck cars subreddit.

It’s not “I’m interested in public transport, therefore I like autonomous cars”, it’s “Autonomous cars are cool, let’s find ways to shoehorn them into everything”.

It’s “let’s not be dumbasses and trash autonomous cars on the off chance your public transit paradise doesn’t materialize”.

So, gain: Please tell me how you’re going to make it so that burger flippers can afford those autonomous cars within 20 years. Tech won’t solve that issue. Public transport circumvents it completely.

They literally can through a taxi service that splits the costs amongst users, called Waymo. Car shares also already exist. The cost of sensors and computers will also come down both through mass manufacturing and technological improvements (like solid state lidar).

Honestly, let’s make a bet and check back in 20 years, does your public transit paradise exist or maybe just maybe, the actual political and infrastructure realities of the US mean that cars still exist?

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barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

They literally can through a taxi service that splits the costs amongst users, called Waymo. Car shares also already exist. The cost of sensors and computers will also come down both through mass manufacturing and technological improvements (like solid state lidar).

Those services are necessarily more expensive than the likes of trams, that much is simple physics. Also, you’re going to get the burger flipper fired if you make them rely on waymo, to wit, all those waymos blocking traffic because they don’t know how to continue on, having come across something unforeseen. What if there’s a game in town and our flipper needs to get to work but can’t afford the rush pricing waymo introduces because unlike public transport, their prices aren’t regulated and the hedge funds owning waymo would never accept a situation in which they can get less than 20% ROI on every single vehicle they put out there. While getting subsidised by tax payer money in the form of the streets they’re using.

Why are you so insistent on rubber on asphalt over steel on steel? Automation is much easier and further along on tracks. Why such a fanboy for private capital over the freedom of a municipality to come together and solve a problem in a cheap and affordable way?

Also please don’t tell me that 10-lane highways are easier to cross for pedestrians when the cars are autonomous.

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- masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Why are you so insistent on rubber on asphalt over steel on steel? Automation is much easier and further along on tracks. Why such a fanboy for private capital over the freedom of a municipality to come together and solve a problem in a cheap and affordable way?
  
  Lol, you so insistently want to believe that I’m a car loving tech bro that you’re literally not reading anything I’m writing.
  
  I’m pro public transit, I agree that it’s more efficient and produces better cities and communities than ones built around cars, I tend to vote socialist, and don’t own a car and have no love for them or what they’ve done to society, however, I’m just not delusional about how long it takes to a) built enough mass transit that people don’t need cars and b) move everyone to be live near that mass transit and c) to solve for every edge case like the elderly, people driving out to remote cottages, deliveries, the sick and elderly, etc. Even if you had the public and political willpower to enact those changes (which you very very very clearly don’t), it would still take longer to do all of that, by like an order of magnitude, then it will to improve self driving cars to the point of wide availability.
  
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  - barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Self driving cars we’re talking like a decade, the kind of societal changes you’re describing take a generation.
    
    The kind of changes I’m talking about are happening, even in the US, right now. It’s you who’s lobbying against them by saying “can’t be done”, “not fast enough” completely ignoring what’s happening in actual cities all over the place. How about “hey why are the Mormons of all people more progressive than our city”, instead?
    
    Also for an purported supporter of public transport you ripped into /r/fuckcars quite a lot. WTH are you even doing over on the snoo site.
    
    You literally have to wait for every suburban stick in the mud to be willing to move out of their home or die before you can achieve your car-free dream.
    
    No. Railcar suburbs once existed and existing car-dependent single-home suburbs can be turned into them by, as I already explained, densifying around the stations. Which has been done, and is being done, and would come soon also to your city if you bothered to argue for it.
    
    As to me personally: I never owned a car. Never needed one.
    
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    masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Lmfao, you’re such a dumb arrogant prick.
    
    Learn how to read dumbass.
    
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