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novibe@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

That’s because the Chinese experience was very peculiar. When American and European investors and industry giants went abroad to outsource manufacturing, they brought in the capital and left with the profits. But the capital, and technology or knowledge, never spread in the colonies or neo-colonies. When China “opened up”, they were real clever about it. They said: “sure, you can open your factories here where there is an abundance of cheap labor. But in exchange, we want the knowledge and technology”. And since opening up China to foreign capital has been the wet dream of capitalists and proto-capitalists for the past several hundreds of years, they accepted the deal. So China was left with the know-how to be able to set-up their own national industries. And the profits of exporting manufactured goods was used for strategic industries and infrastructure, unlike most colonial and neo-colonial experiences where the profits are just pocketed by a national bourgeoisie.

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demonsword@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

And the profits of exporting manufactured goods was used for strategic industries and infrastructure, unlike most colonial and neo-colonial experiences

that’s because most colonial/neo-colonial experiences are about raw resources extrativism

where the profits are just pocketed by a national bourgeoisie.

there quite a few billionaires in China

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- novibe@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There sure are billionaires in China. But they don’t control the political structure like the billionaires do in the US. They are controlled by the political structure. When has it been the last time the US or EU executed a billionaire for harming the environment?
  
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Wanderer@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
They just outright broke laws and stole shit.

Chinese are just a lot less honourable and trustworth. If they scam you that’s your fault for being stupid, nothing wrong with scamming someone.

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- novibe@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Holy shit… bro please don’t be racist like this in public. You should keep this shit to your brain and feel deep shame for it. No one ever taught you that?
  
  The Chinese didn’t break any laws or “steal” anything. China had different copyright laws, and western companies agreed to share technology as part of their agreements with the CPC to operate in the SEZs. If they didn’t want China to have the tech, they could’ve just not taken the deals and go build their factories in India, or Bangladesh, or Malaysia etc.
  
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  - Wanderer@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You’re brainwashed.
    
    So many reports of Chinese doing dodgy shit. Just look at how much copy right infringement they do.
    
    People go over there and set up factories and the Chinese will take the machines a part at night and put them back together as they are being installed.
    
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trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yeah na

Every time a factory opens in 3rd world the knowledge partially stays.

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Mango@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Holup. So they did it for the experience and that’s working for them?

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