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• cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do you think everyone should agree with you always?

  No of course not but I subscribe to the original Reddiquette philosophy. Downvotes arne’t for disagreement. They were originally a form of user-moderation to stop spam. Unfortunately about a decade ago after the Digg exodus the users of Reddit forgot that original usage and so you’d end up being downvoted and not knowing why. It doesn’t foster debate or discussion. It’s a cheap way to snipe someone down without being responsible or engaging them.

  I never, ever downvote unless it’s obvious link spam. If I feel strongly enough I tell the person they’re wrong and why. That’s what I believe in.

  I am curious, what current of socialism do you subscribe to?

  Libertarian Socialism. In the UK the closest parties/groups would be Black Rose Labour and/or Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour. The countries closest to my beliefs are Denmark, Iceland and Norway.

  However, the people on Lemmy.ml took further offence when I suggested DPRK wasn’t a democratic country and they trotted out a list of articles on how democratic it really was. Then I was given a bunch of Stalin emojis of him pulling heart shapes with his hands.

  I’m not a fan of autocratic dictatorships and I was dog-piled and taunted with a bunch of Stalinist and DPRK memes. Because apparently you’re not truly left-wing unless you worship Stalin and Kim.

  I would have been happy to debate these points with them but unfortunately my reticence of autocratic dictatorships was considered far worse than what was directed at me in response.

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  • EchoCT@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A: Nordic systems like that is by definition not economic socialism.

    B: Gonna make an assumption that you using Tankie was likely referencing some authoritarian policy and just grouping them all under ‘tankie’ as a generic insult like most .world liberals.

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  • doidera@lemmy.eco.br ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Libertarian Socialism. In the UK the closest parties/groups would be Black Rose Labour and/or Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour. The countries closest to my beliefs are Denmark, Iceland and Norway.

    I see, Anarchism. I like it, mainly Kropotkin. Although I disagree with some points IRL mainly of my daily comrades are anarchists. I am what you would call a tankie even though I despise tankies.

    However, the people on Lemmy.ml took further offence when I suggested DPRK wasn’t a democratic country and they trotted out a list of articles on how democratic it really was. Then I was given a bunch of Stalin emojis of him pulling heart shapes with his hands.

    I understand, and I think this shouldn’t happen. A Marxist should be open to honest debate. On my view DPKR is way more democratic than say USA. I don’t like this apologetic view of Stalin too. But I don’t subscribe to Imperialistic propaganda neither. I think somewhat I am priveleged living outside the axis North America x West Europe, those places have suffered with A LOT of propaganda, and it is hard to see it from inside.

    I’m not a fan of autocratic dictatorships and I was dog-piled and taunted with a bunch of Stalinist and DPRK memes. Because apparently you’re not truly left-wing unless you worship Stalin and Kim.

    DPKR isn’t a dictatorship though. Kim alone holds less power in his country than Biden for instance. Also he was elected. DPKR have some sort of direct democracy that most western world doesn’t even dream about.

    I would have been happy to debate these points with them but unfortunately my reticence of autocratic dictatorships was considered far worse than what was directed at me in response.

    These people really gives socialism a bad name after all. I agree with you.

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    • SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      DPKR isn’t a dictatorship though. Kim alone holds less power in his country than Biden for instance. Also he was elected. DPKR have some sort of direct democracy that most western world doesn’t even dream about.

      lol people like you really exist

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      • doidera@lemmy.eco.br ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        @cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world see? there are idiots from all sides.

        That’s why some people tend to become reactive and aloof.

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    • Urist@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      DPKR isn’t a dictatorship though. Kim alone holds less power in his country than Biden for instance. Also he was elected. DPKR have some sort of direct democracy that most western world doesn’t even dream about.

      So I want to start off with recognizing that western media love to blow up American propaganda about how “batshit crazy” Kim Jong-un is. In reality I think development of nukes is to some degree quite sensible as a defensive measurement fof DPRK, especially given their stated goal to develop socialism without external involvement.

      Formally DPRK looks quite democratic with power derived from the working people’s assembly. However, I do not see how formalism really matters if it does not conform with praxis. Having officials elected for life from the same bloodline is to me a big red flag in this regard. The same with things like the assembly only being actually assembled for a few days of the year and statisics regarding voter participation and such.

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  • doidera@lemmy.eco.br ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No of course not but I subscribe to the original Reddiquette philosophy. Downvotes arne’t for disagreement. They were originally a form of user-moderation to stop spam. Unfortunately about a decade ago after the Digg exodus the users of Reddit forgot that original usage and so you’d end up being downvoted and not knowing why. It doesn’t foster debate or discussion. It’s a cheap way to snipe someone down without being responsible or engaging them.

    I never, ever downvote unless it’s obvious link spam. If I feel strongly enough I tell the person they’re wrong and why. That’s what I believe in.

    That’s actually very nice, I agree with you. TIL.

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  • Blaze@discuss.online ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No of course not but I subscribe to the original Reddiquette philosophy. Downvotes arne’t for disagreement. They were originally a form of user-moderation to stop spam. Unfortunately about a decade ago after the Digg exodus the users of Reddit forgot that original usage and so you’d end up being downvoted and not knowing why. It doesn’t foster debate or discussion. It’s a cheap way to snipe someone down without being responsible or engaging them.

    Very true, and that’s why I’m more and more inclined to use an instance without downvotes. With the report button available, downvotes just seem like a shortcut for hivemind.

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