I edited my comment about strip clubs right when you posted this. There's a legal gray area in my opinion by using it for tipping. If you've already received the service, you really can't be committing fraud.
I’m not positive about that. Possessing obviously fake money is not a crime, but passing it off as if it were real money in a transaction itself may constitute a crime. Back before sensors became more sophisticated, I had a friend who used photocopied bills (which were obviously fake) in subway token machines, and he got into some trouble for it.
Back before sensors became more sophisticated, I had a friend who used photocopied bills (which were obviously fake) in subway token machines, and he got into some trouble for it.
this is a bit different. at the point that you’re paying for goods or services with it, yes, that’s definitely trying to pass counterfeit bills. But tips are not payment for the food or wait service. You don’t pay a tip in lieu of a bill, you pay a tip along with the bill. While socially it’s understood there will be a tip… there’s no legal obligation for there to be one; or even what is to be given as a tip.
Oh, I know. It’s not necessarily a crime, although I wouldn’t recommend it without reading what actions specifically would trigger those laws. It’s the wording of the laws that I’d want to be comfortable with.
But morally speaking it’s not even a grey area. It’s absolutely worse than just not tipping at all. If I were a restaurateur I’d ban this person on the first offense, no questions asked.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 months ago
only if the “currency” is convincing enough. If it’s literally monopoly money, not so much.
roguetrick@kbin.social 7 months ago
There is absolutely an intent aspect, and it's clear the intent here is to pass of the money as real even if it's monopoly money.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 months ago
is it? or is it to hide the fact that they’re not tipping to escape the social stigma inherit in not tipping (or tithing).
if you were right, those religious tracts would be illegal and the company that produces them closed down for counterfeiting currency.
roguetrick@kbin.social 7 months ago
I edited my comment about strip clubs right when you posted this. There's a legal gray area in my opinion by using it for tipping. If you've already received the service, you really can't be committing fraud.
PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m not positive about that. Possessing obviously fake money is not a crime, but passing it off as if it were real money in a transaction itself may constitute a crime. Back before sensors became more sophisticated, I had a friend who used photocopied bills (which were obviously fake) in subway token machines, and he got into some trouble for it.
Deceptichum@kbin.social 7 months ago
So those Christians with the fake bills should be arrested.
Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Came here for this. That’s been happening for quite some time lol
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 months ago
this is a bit different. at the point that you’re paying for goods or services with it, yes, that’s definitely trying to pass counterfeit bills. But tips are not payment for the food or wait service. You don’t pay a tip in lieu of a bill, you pay a tip along with the bill. While socially it’s understood there will be a tip… there’s no legal obligation for there to be one; or even what is to be given as a tip.
PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Oh, I know. It’s not necessarily a crime, although I wouldn’t recommend it without reading what actions specifically would trigger those laws. It’s the wording of the laws that I’d want to be comfortable with.
But morally speaking it’s not even a grey area. It’s absolutely worse than just not tipping at all. If I were a restaurateur I’d ban this person on the first offense, no questions asked.