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Comment on Apple employees outnumbered customers at Vision Pro launch in San Francisco's Union Square

JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

The Vision Pro is literally a new product line that has multiple innovations over current competitors.

Artificial intelligence is such a buzzword these days it’s tough to determine what your meaning is here. Apple uses machine learning all over the place.

As far as actual artificial intelligence - machine consciousness akin to a human mind - how would you know? Apple doesn’t make a habit of announcing their ventures before their marketable.

Without their respective batteries, the weight of the Meta Quest Pro is 522 grams. The Vision Pro is 532.

The three batteries in the power pack are 3000mah each. Again, not sure if the complaint here is overall capacity, or that the headset is power inefficient. These could be valid if they’d implemented recharging in a worse manner, but it can be charged while in use by either another battery bank or an electrical socket.

Ignoring the contradiction on Steve Jobs, yes he was persistent in his vision, but he also understood the physical limits of technology. A stylus at the time of the original iPad would not have been a slim, precision tool. Look at the Wacom CTH661 - bit cumbersome if you ask me.

There are criticisms to be made of the Vision Pro, and certainly of Apple, but you’ve made none of them here.

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le_saucisson_masquay@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
All of that is subjective, to me it really doesn’t feel like the revolutionary product that Apple used to deliver during jobs but I can understand how someone would see it different.

Personally beyond every physical criticism on the product, I just look at the wow factor. When the iPhone released, almost everyone understood how its the new shit and everything else is obsolete. Same for iPods. I don’t feel like Vision Pro made the other headset obsolete.

Beside about the stylus for iPad, I’m convinced it was not the size the issue but that jobs wanted people to interact with tech in the most natural possible way, aka finger.

It was his vision, for the better and the worst, but at least it gives a direction. Cook bought some time by slowly offering stuffs that jobs vision forbade, like a stylus, keyboard for iPad, bigger and bigger iPhone and new variants, customization on iOS, and so on. But by doing that he slowly killed jobs vision and Apple is left nowadays without anything else but desire for greed.

The Vision Pro looks just like another corporation product, nothing revolutionary.

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- JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Quick recap:
  
  new product line
  
  machine learning
  
  secretive development process
  
  unit weight vs competition
  
  battery capacities
  
  decade old product form factors
  
  You can’t label any of that subjective and go on to say it’s all about the wow factor. As if there could be anything more subjective.
  
  Cheers for the laugh though.
  
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  - le_saucisson_masquay@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Oh come on, don’t flex on battery capacity and unit weight. This is stupid, anyone with Apple ressource can make an oculus quest with bigger battery, better display and lighter. That’s not what made Apple so wealthy, original iPhone was way heavier than other phone and had shity screen resolution, it didn’t even have a keyboard… yet they are all dead or heavily copied on iPhone.
    
    And wtf does secret development process and new product line got to do with its success ? New garbage get developed daily and goes right to the trash when it doesn’t sell.
    
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    JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Well sure they could’ve made a larger battery and whatnot else, but it’s not like the Vision Pro is some slightly polished Oculus. The tech allowing for 12ms visual pass though is impressive enough without any of the other things they developed for it.
    
    While your point about Apple’s tremendous resources has truth to it, I’d argue that even had they committed their entire cash reserve to the development of the AVP, it would still involve more people using the device than just the engineers designing the thing.
    
    At some point diminishing returns mean you can’t refine much further. I think the regular release of barely improved smartphones is evidence of that. Eventually when the goal of a pair of glasses - or hell, even contact lenses - is reached, this first generation Vision Pro will be one of many milestones we look and wonder how we ever had something so bulky and awkward looking.
    
    Oh and the point I had made about the secretive development processes was to counter the previous comment regarding Apple ‘not being deep into artificial intelligence’. No one outside of Apple really knows what they’re doing. They’ve been tight lipped about underway ventures since Jobs returned to the company all those years ago.
    
    As I noticed I’m typing a reply to a several day old comment, I’ll leave a couple quotes Tim Cook made recently:
    
    As we look ahead, we will continue to invest in… technologies that will shape the future. That includes artificial intelligence, where we continue to spend a tremendous amount of time and effort, and we’re excited to share the details of our ongoing work in that space later this year.
    
    In terms of generative AI… we have a lot of work going on internally, as I’ve alluded to before. Our M.O., if you will, has always been to do work and then talk about work and not to get out in front of ourselves. And so we’re going to hold that to this as well. But we’ve got some things that we’re incredibly excited about that we’ll be talking about later this year.
    
    If you read all this, I’m surprised. I’m surprised I bothered to type it out. Cheers.
    
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