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novibe@lemmy.ml 8 months agoNice anti-communist think tank talking points you got there. Do you have any reliable evidence that shows it? All the evidence I can find kinda of points to the opposite?
Ruling billionaire class? If you’re a capitalist in China and you even slightly fuck over the environment or your workers you get executed.
Mass deaths…? You likely mean the deaths through starvation in one of the worst events of drought in history, which then never happened again? Or the deaths of the fascist reactionaries that fought against the revolution?
State capitalism? Just go read a bit on socialist oriented markets and the theory behind the Chinese socialist model. You might not agree with it, but if that’s state capitalism, you can give me some and I’ll smile.
And brutal authoritarianism? You literally never read a single source on Chinese democracy. I bet you live in a place that is infinitely less democratic.
Marsupial@quokk.au 8 months ago
Nice state propaganda you have there.
Tell me, why does China even have billionaires?
You can parrot all this off you want, we can see with our own eyes what China is.
novibe@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
If you want a serious answer:
If communism is “from each according to their will, and to each according to their need”, productive forces must be immensely higher than what had been achieved in the USSR with central planning, or even in capitalist countries like the US. They devised a system of “socialist oriented markets”, where the state under the communist party would guide capital markets but allow certain liberties for a new capitalist class to emerge and through the profit incentive internally develop the productive forces. But all this with much more control and limitations than in a capitalist country.
You can argue this isn’t socialism, and that it’s “bad”. But if we want to argue facts, China has seen the biggest increase in productive forces in the history of humanity. And coupled with that the biggest increase in quality of life as well.
I’m not gonna say I 100% support China or the Chinese model, but I am cautiously optimistic. Specially in the last couple of years. Seeing videos of people travelling to Chengdu, Chongqin, Harbin etc. truly looks like the future.
You can indeed see China with your own eyes. I suggest watching some travel videos. And if possible, go there. You would see how much their system is working, like it or not.
Marsupial@quokk.au 8 months ago
I’ve been to China, and I’ve hosted countless Chinese teachers and students over the years. I’m well informed on what China is.
Taking a lot of people out of poverty is great, but that could have just as easily been done without the mock trials, massacres, or cannibalism.
Authoritarian regimes are not and never will be the answer, they are the enemy of the people. Defending or simping for them makes you also one of those enemies.
novibe@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
The mock trials was during the cultural revolution, which was a movement born from the students and had nothing to do with Mao or the CPC. And again, cannibalism is just a ridiculous accusation to throw, as if that happened it would’ve only happened during the great famine, which was mostly caused by natural events.
I don’t “defend” or “simp” anyone. I just look objectively at facts and can do so without the bias and judgement of American fascist think tanks. One of the benefits of being from the global south I guess.
Also, authoritarian is extremely misleading. That is a useless category. China is no less authoritarian than France or the US. The chairman in the CPC has as much power or likely less than the US president.
Local democracy in China is leagues above what’s in the US and Europe.
Nakoichi@aussie.zone 8 months ago
“cannibalism” bro that is some racist ass bullshit. Kindly please stop talking.