Comment on Janeway’s “Tuvix” Decision Divides ‘Star Trek: Voyager’ Cast: “It Kind Of Hurt Her Character”

• Flyberius@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I am here to explain this once again. Neelix and Tuvok were dead. They died in a transporter accident. They died painlessly and unaware. Tuvix was not dead. Begged not to be killed. And was painfully aware of the fate they were forced to suffer.

  It does not matter if you have a magic wand that can magic two people back for the cost of one other, she chose to kill someone, who was begging to her face to be spared. It is as simple as that.

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  • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Exactly, the trolly problem describes a murder too. The question it presents “is murder ever justified” and it’s not meant to have a “correct” answer, it’s meant to study how people react to two seemingly equivalent scenarios.

    I think Voyager’s “is it ok to push the fat man if his death resurrects two previously dead people and also increases the chances of getting everyone home” twist on the scenario is really interesting and I love that it always without fail gets people debating.

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  • pupbiru@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    and people whose heart stop… we revive them, and then they are not dead any more. if someone is able to be revived, it’s irrelevant what you called them before that point: their… let’s say potential state? is not dead

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    • Lucien@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s not an equal comparison. If by dying a new person started walking around in your body, and then by the medics doing CPR that person was killed, causing you to come back, that would be an equal comparison.

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      • pupbiru@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        i’m not comparing the whole thing; just breaking the problem down into parts… i’m asserting that your definition of “dead” is wrong. they are not permanently dead, because they can be revived

        we have 3 potential people. either you remain at the end with 1 person, or 2 people… the choice is between action (killing tuvix to save neelix and tuvok) or inaction (allowing tuvix to live, and accepting the death of neelix and tuvok)

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