Comment on Honda and Mitsubishi will test a fuel cell-powered data center in Japan

just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Well the entire point is to keep using fossil fuels since 95% of hydrogen fuel cells are created using natural gas. This is blatant fossil fuel greenwashing

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  • steal_your_face@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Any more info on this? Have trouble finding anything in Google.

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    • SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production

      There are four main sources for the commercial production of hydrogen: natural gas, oil, coal, and electrolysis of water; which account for 48%, 30%, 18% and 4% of the world’s hydrogen production respectively.[1] Fossil fuels are the dominant source of industrial hydrogen.[2] As of 2020, the majority of hydrogen (~95%) is produced by steam reforming of natural gas and other light hydrocarbons, partial oxidation of heavier hydrocarbons, and coal gasification.

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      • wikibot@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

        Hydrogen production is the family of industrial methods for generating hydrogen gas. There are four main sources for the commercial production of hydrogen: natural gas, oil, coal, and electrolysis of water; which account for 48%, 30%, 18% and 4% of the world’s hydrogen production respectively. Fossil fuels are the dominant source of industrial hydrogen. As of 2020, the majority of hydrogen (~95%) is produced by steam reforming of natural gas and other light hydrocarbons, partial oxidation of heavier hydrocarbons, and coal gasification. Other methods of hydrogen production include biomass gasification and methane pyrolysis. Methane pyrolysis and water electrolysis can use any source of electricity including renewable energy. The production of hydrogen plays a key role in any industrialized society, since hydrogen is required for many chemical processes. In 2020, roughly 87 million tons of hydrogen was produced worldwide for various uses, such as oil refining, in the production of ammonia through the Haber process, and in the production of methanol through reduction of carbon monoxide. The global hydrogen generation market was fairly valued at US$155 billion in 2022, and expected to grow at a compound annual growth rate of 9.3% from 2023 to 2030.

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      • steal_your_face@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ah it’s to make the actual hydrogen fuel not the fuel cells. Ty for the info.

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    • abhibeckert@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s FUD. There’s literally more than a dozen different ways to produce hydrogen.

      Yes, right now, the cheapest options are some of the “dirtier” ones, however the cost to produce zero emission hydrogen is coming down rapidly and fossil fuel produced hydrogen is going up in price.

      The two are expected to cross over in the next few years and green hydrogen, typically using solar power to split seawater, will be the cheapest way to produce hydrogen and nobody in their right mind would get it from any of the more expensive sources.

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      • Hypx@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This is basically how all green energy ideas start. Wind and solar power went through the same thing. What we're seeing are people who dismiss new ideas, either because they're climate change deniers or because they're outdated and don't want to see change they don't understand.

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• otter@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Maybe it’s more of an experiment/ proof of concept

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  • AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Renewables like wins and solar produce power inconsistently. Hydrogen fuel cells could be a viable tech for storing excess power generated for later use.

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• zurohki@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You mean like taking the electricity used to make the hydrogen and just feeding it into the data center?

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