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Comment on Today's web is the opposite of what early Internet utopians had in mind. Now the situation is somewhat similar climate change: even committed activists can no longer turn the tide for the better.

Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

One of the early utopias was that people would no longer debate about things because the internet would bring people together and provide them with information about anything and everything… well then algorithms and social media happened, and now we’re stuck with echo chambers of anti-vaxxers and flat earthers.

Other than that, it’s been nice in many ways nobody could have anticipated back then.

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RaoulDook@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Social media empowered narcissistic self-publication, which is one of the main things that ruined the Internet.

The problem is that the subject of discussions was moved from objective topics to the self. Every topic being discussed is now tainted with the insertion of the self as part of the topic, for the purpose of garnering attention to the self. Instead of the topic being discussed, now it’s “Look at what I’m talking about, isn’t this interesting what I’m telling you?”

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- Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Facebook and Xitter are very user centric platforms where you care about the person more than the topic. Meanwhile, in (formerly) Reddit and (currently) Lemmy I rarely even look at the usernames. I care about the topic, and that’s why I’m here in this thread.
  
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fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I think the Internet really did make people more knowledgeable overall, but my personal theory is that, as a collective, we are in the area of knowing that dunning-Kruger effect takes place. With our current collective intelligence machines really crystallizing that to me, where if ask an LLM something it doesn’t know, it will act like the average person on the internet and make shit up and assume it close enough.

The information age really speaks to the idea that information is not knowledge, but knowledge can be formed from information. I think the next major revolution and why social media algorithms, AI, data science, etc are so hot is because they are attempts to enter the knowledge age. To take all of this access to information and truly learn something from it, at the same scale.

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- Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Well said. In many cases we’re riding the highest peak of the DK-curve, and you can tell by the massive aura of confidence radiating from some comments.
  
  Reading the Covid discussions was absolutely wild. Suddenly we got all these people who seemed to know a things about epidemiology, virology, biochemistry, statistics and what not. Plenty of confidence, little bit of information, but hardly any knowledge, let alone humility.
  
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postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
But you could actually learn and grow via the internet then. Information was free, available, and tools actually helped you find it.

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- sailingbythelee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I think that is still true. It isn’t that hard to immerse yourself in the free web. There is a ton of high quality and user-friendly FOSS software these days, much more than in the old days. I actually think we are living in a golden age of FOSS software right now. Other than games, I don’t have much need for commercial software anymore.
  
  The same is true of information. There is a spectacular amount of free information available online now compared to 30 years ago. You can leaen to fix damn near anything nowadays just by watching free YouTube videos. Not to mention high quality, well-produced free videos, free podcasts, free databases and reference materials, journalism, etc. about any subject you can think from history to computer science, math, biology, literature… the list is endless. It wasn’t like that 30 years ago, that’s for sure.
  
  Even on the commercial side, $15 a month for my whole family to access almost any music, anywhere, anytime? Shit, I used to pay $15 for one CD and the only way to get music on the internet was to pirate it! Cheap, high quality, comprehensive music catalogs availabe everywhere at the touch of a button is what we used to dream about and now it is a reality. And video? I remember the first video I ever watched on the internet. It was a tiny, grainy, 20 second video of a Shuttle launch being streamed over the internet… and we sat in awe with our mouths hanging open watching it over and over, lol.
  
  That isn’t to say that the internet is perfect. The tracking nowadays really is horrendous. But, damn, it is much better now compared to the old days in terms of content.
  
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  - Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You’re absolutely right about learning stuff online. Once I bought a mango, but had no idea how to cut it without making a huge mess. Well, there are also lots of videos about it, so now I know what I’m doing with delicious mangos.
    
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