Comment on What If: Signal Was Part of the Fediverse?

ebc@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• mossy_capivara@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Trust me I know, having my whole family try it out and then have them pull that later was a punch in the face

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  • sarsaparilyptus@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Was that the punch in the face, or was it all the morons intentionally misinterpreting this argument and saying “but why would u want to send nonsecure messages are you aware SMS isn’t secure it’s like so insecure to send SMS bro it’s not secure it’s like literally a security risk bro SMS isn’t secure at all and also are you aware SMS security is poor”

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    • dismalnow@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not doubting that pushy idiots are going to pushy idiot, but I think you've strawmanned the actual reason hard enough.

      Most people who want it back don't need, want, or understand why secure messaging exists.

      Here's the simple facts:

      SMS is not secure, or private.
      Signal is for secure, private comms.[

      As mildly inconvenient as it is, Signal explained their reasoning in great detail](https://signal.org/blog/sms-removal-android/), and I happen to agree: There should never have been an insecure option on a secure messaging app.

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      • ebc@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Well, I happen to disagree. I’m a privacy-conscious person, but I’m not an activist. Most of my contacts in real life (i.e the people I need a messaging app to talk to) are non-technical, and not really privacy-conscious. They’re not going to install a different app just to talk to me. The big draw of TextSecure (before it became Signal) was that they could just set that as their default SMS app, and it’d magically start to send encrypted messages if the other end was also using TextSecure, and they had to change exactly 0 of their habits.

        I guess it depends on how you view it:

        1. Move as many people as possible over to encrypted comms with the least friction possible, or
        2. Provide a niche secure messaging platform for niche activists with niche needs.

        I thought the goal was 1, but turns out it was 2. All my contacts are now back to Facebook Messenger…

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      • sarsaparilyptus@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Question: are you missing the point deliberately, or is it genuine obliviousness?

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      • ChaosSauce@wizanons.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Totally agree. Good opsec is all about building good habits. Having 1 app for secure and a different app for normal creates a healthy compartmentalization in the mind for ease of building and maintaining habits.

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  • Encode1307@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Same here. It’s pretty frustrating.

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  • brill@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My family still uses it vs texting. We like the video calls as well. :)

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• DarkThoughts@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don't see the issue? Just use your native messenger for SMS. Why does it need to be part of Signal? It just makes things convoluted and confusing to have an unsecure messaging service inside an otherwise secure messaging app.

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• Steve@compuverse.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This always struck me as strange thinking.__ Are most people really unable to understand use different messengers with different contexts and groups?

  Honestly I use a few myself. My job has Tiger Connect. I use Signal with all my family and friends. Then I use SMS for some companies automatic notifications. It’s pretty simple and easy.

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  • ebc@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well, yes. But when all your friends are already on Facebook Messenger, good luck getting them to install Signal only to talk with you. Network effects are important; a messaging app has no use when you have nobody to message on the app. Supporting SMS was taking advantage of its network effect, and I don’t think their network was big enough to be self-sustaining for most users (it wasn’t in my case, my only contact in there is my wife).

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    • Steve@compuverse.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Convincing people to leave Facebook Messenger isn’t that hard. Just let them know Zukerberg and everyone at Facebook can see everything they send.

      It is easier with a whole group of friends. If none of your friends known each other, you should work on that for other reasons. Groups of friends are better in general.

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• NENathaniel@lemmy.film ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve just kinda made anyone I message regularly message me on Signal or Telegram. Fuck Meta 🤷

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