Comment on The Outer Worlds w/ All DLC free until 26 Dec 2023 4PM UTC

• Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  But I didn’t move it though, I just quoted you and you’re the one who’s trying to pretend it wasn’t what you meant… I don’t think you understand what “moving the goalpost” means…

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  • EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You claimed it’s DRM-free on Epic.

    I disputed this, asking if requires any form of Internet connection to install, launch, or play the game. Instead of responding to my dispute with actual reasoning, you turned to avoiding the issue entirely by shifting the focus from backing up your claim to making an entirely new claim attempting to discredit my definition of DRM. That’s called dodging the issue, FYI.

    In other words, if you can’t beat an argument, try to invalidate it. Basic of the basics in the rulebook of debating.

    Then, when I defined DRM for you, you asked, “How do you install a game from GOG without an internet connection?” I answered by stating you use the offline installer. Which doesn’t require an Internet connection to use, meaning you don’t require the Internet to install it. You also are not required to have an Internet connection to launch the game or to then proceed to play the game after having launched it.

    When i described this to you, you completely ignored that answer and acted like I had stated you do require an Internet connection:

    YOU: How do you install a game from GOG without an internet connection?

    ME: You download the backup installer after you buy the game. I save mine on an external hard drive.

    YOU: Ok so how do you download the backup installer without an internet connection?

    ME: I never said you could, so that’s irrelevant.

    The fact is that downloading the offline installer is not DRM at all. It’s an offline, backup installer; you only need to download it once and then you’ll have it available whenever you want to install said game. Requiring the Internet to download an offline, backup installer that once you download you never have to download again is no different than requiring fuel for you car or a time expenditure for public transport in order to go pick up a physical copy of a game from a store across town.

    In any case, all of this is so completely detracted by this point from the original topic of you claiming the game The Outer Worlds is available, DRM-free, on Epic Games Store, that it’s quite frankly become really ridiculous. It’s been done to hell and back, as is my patience with this absurdity of a discussion.

    Goodbye, and be well.

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So…

      TL;DR of this whole discussion: When I point out that you said that requiring an internet connection is a form of DRM and it therefore means that GOG basically has DRM in place because it requires an internet connection (even if it’s just once to download the installer, just like for Epic DRM free games) you get mad…

      By your destination, the only way to truly own a game and for it to be DRM free is to buy a physical copy and then, as I mentioned, you’re DRM free only as long as you don’t want a patched version.

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      • EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I said good day.

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