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• bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What language are you learning?

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  • catharso@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    türkish, just for fun little interactions with my döner-guy 🥙🙂

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    • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I love everything about this

      And now I want a Berlin kebab

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      See my other comment: thelemmy.club/comment/6489647

      For Turkish unfortunately there isn’t a lot of beginner resources. But some are trying to build some currently. comprehensibleinputwiki.org/wiki/Turkish

      But if it’s just for fun, and you don’t seriously expect to reach fluidity, I think Duo is probably not bad for that. And that’s not a bad thing, learning a language is a huge commitment. If you want more, you’d need someone willing to go one on one with you or you could continue with more traditional methods until you reach the point of being able to follow at least shows for small children like Peppa Pig and eventually onto actually interesting stuff.

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• Scraft161@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The best course of action is to consume as much content in the target language as possible, tv shows, music, YouTube videos… Your brain will eventually pick up on certain parts of the language naturally. Also the best thing you can do is to not force yourself to speak or write in that language until you are comfortable doing so (this is one of the biggest things doulingo does wrong).

  I can attest to this method working as I went from barely knowing a couple of English words to speaking it in about 4 months (you could probably do less if you stick to what I outlined above). To back up this method I suggest you look at antimoon which is written by people who have used this to learn English as well.

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  • justlookingfordragon@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Exactly this worked best for me back in the day ;) I’m German and while we have some mandatory English classes, they’re …well … not good. Blunt, boring, 1:1 translations of German sentences, and at least the teacher I had first also had a VERY thick German accent, pronouncing stuff WAY too harsh (“Zis is nott how yoo shoold zound when zpeeking inglish for forks zake!”) so other than learning a few basics, the lessons weren’t at all useful to me.

    …but I’ve been an avid fan of the Zelda franchise even back then so I decided to play Ocarina of Time in English after a first German playthrough. Barely understood the dialogue at first, started to recognize certain keywords after a few days, and once I was halfway through the game my brain kinda switched to “English mode” and I actually learned words and grammar in a natural way instead of trying to force myself to understand what the hell a “singular past tense adverb” is.

    Long story short, school tried to teach me how to translate German thoughts into English sentences before speaking them out loud. Games, movies, books and music taught me to THINK in English so I wouldn’t need to translate my thoughts first.

    The same way I’m currently trying to learn Spanish by the way, which already works way better than any classes ever did.

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    • Scraft161@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Exactly this worked best for me back in the day

      Not just you, your brain is wired to pick up language, how did you learn your first one?

      I’m German and while we have some mandatory English classes, they’re …well … not good.

      I can attest that English classes here aren’t great either (although most people here do speak English as a second or third language)

      and at least the teacher I had first also had a VERY thick German accent

      This is a known side effect of premature output (writing/speaking before you feel comfortable doing so), you don’t just listen to what’s around you, you primarily listen to yourself and pronunciation differs between languages, this premature output becomes toxic input for your brain which then uses that from then on (you can try and get rid of it; but it is really hard to do)

      once I was halfway through the game my brain kinda switched to “English mode” and I actually learned words and grammar in a natural way instead of trying to force myself to understand what the hell a “singular past tense adverb” is.

      Yup, that’s natural understanding for you. When you speak a language you don’t care about the rules; you should instinctively know them.

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      As for my issue with Duolingo: it ignores the amount of time it takes to properly acquire a language, if I were to split up all the time I spent watching english youtube into 5 minute chunks it’d take me well over 15 years (and that’s just accounting for the initial 4 month span; I’ve learned more things after as I naturally used the language). Combine that with the fact it throws established research on this topic to the wayside to push the school-based one which we know goes against the natural way in which we learn. I found a great blog post online about this, while it mostly revolves around learning Japanese; the core principles apply to learning pretty much any language. The beginning of the post does sum the entire thing up pretty well though:

      We do not recommend “language learning” apps like Duolingo, Lingodeer, Babbel, and others due to the fact that their methodology conflicts with AJATT’s principles of immersion learning. Such apps do not actually help you with anything. There are no success stories. On the other hand, AJATTers typically reach fluency in just 18 months. The apps prevent you from reading interesting content in your target language, such as manga. And they make you more miserable in the end.

      There are some really good parts in that blog that apply to any language; but a lot of it is geared towards Japanese specifically.

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