Comment on Idea for future corporations trying to federate

• HKayn@dormi.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How would these rules be enforced in the first place?

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  • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Same answer as before. We would need to find solutions for this as well, together. Thats how teamwork is done.

    I‘d say something automatic for things that are pure numbers like the member count. A server is running dozens of operations anyway. If a new server asks for federation, it could get checked for member count and if the count exceeds the arbitrary number (in my example it was 50 or 100 of the rest of the fediverse) the request gets denied.

    For more complicated things like pushing ads, one can report a post, moderators bump the report up to the admin and they press „block server“.

    Changing the protocol is a little more complicated still. We‘d need to agree what constitutes a „change“, if there are exceptions. Then we‘d look in the logs for suspicious behavior (more like have a script look) and get notified if a server was only sending unusable resonses for certain requests of whathaveyou.

    Again, its an idea, something to spark more ideas and lead to more solutions.

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    • HKayn@dormi.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The ideas aren’t bad, but they need to be broken down into atoms to build a solid foundation for such a rule base.

      • What is the motivation behind limiting member counts? Right now this would indiscriminately punish anyone with an existing userbase looking to open up to ActivityPub. Are there alternative rules that would tackle your motivation better?
      • What constitutes an ad? Community is horribly split on this. There’s the obvious banner ad, but there’s also instance sponsors or users simply proclaiming how overly happy they’ve been with a certain product. People are calling each other sheeps and bought shills left and right. Go to a tech community, advocate for a browser that isn’t a derivative of Firefox and you’ll see what I mean.
      • As for altering the protocol, again: What are your motivations for this, and could another rule tackle them better?

      Before we establish any rules, it might be best to establish a communally agreed set of motivations and goals for the fediverse first.

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      • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I am pretty baffled at how genius your questions are. This is exactly what I was hoping to achieve. Spark discussion and ideas.

        Rn, my motivation behind the user number is that no single corporation or entity can flood a democratic system, which is by definition then immediately under their control, provided their users are agreeing or being influenced which we have seen time and time again. This is why a large entity would need to break their instances down into smaller instances to avoid this and would need to put them under different management. Same as with the EUs anti monopoly laws. I suppose there could be alternatives. Anyone should feel free to propose them.

        Again, an excellent question. I have only thought as far as „this post has been powered by meta, get an account at“ and so on… obviously, there are less overt ways of doing this but for swiftness sake I‘d start with obvious ones and take them out, leave the others until a very good proposal is forming.

        The motivation against altering the protocol alone is to keep EEE attacks from happening. So, they can propose a change for all, keep to the agreed solution or leave, imo. That way they are encouraged to argue and not just do their thing. One could say if its open source its still okay bit proprietary is absolute no go.

        And yes, I agree full. Feel free to write your own ideas of motivations down so we can discuss them. :)

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