Comment on Idea for future corporations trying to federate

HKayn@dormi.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No I didnt. Thanks for letting me know.

  And my rules are flawed by design. They‘re my first draft. If what I did was perfect I would rule the world, but I am not and nobody is.

  Thats why we have democracy. To find common ground. They‘re just an idea, something to help understand an idea and to work off of.

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  • HKayn@dormi.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How would these rules be enforced in the first place?

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    • haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Same answer as before. We would need to find solutions for this as well, together. Thats how teamwork is done.

      I‘d say something automatic for things that are pure numbers like the member count. A server is running dozens of operations anyway. If a new server asks for federation, it could get checked for member count and if the count exceeds the arbitrary number (in my example it was 50 or 100 of the rest of the fediverse) the request gets denied.

      For more complicated things like pushing ads, one can report a post, moderators bump the report up to the admin and they press „block server“.

      Changing the protocol is a little more complicated still. We‘d need to agree what constitutes a „change“, if there are exceptions. Then we‘d look in the logs for suspicious behavior (more like have a script look) and get notified if a server was only sending unusable resonses for certain requests of whathaveyou.

      Again, its an idea, something to spark more ideas and lead to more solutions.

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      • HKayn@dormi.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The ideas aren’t bad, but they need to be broken down into atoms to build a solid foundation for such a rule base.

        • What is the motivation behind limiting member counts? Right now this would indiscriminately punish anyone with an existing userbase looking to open up to ActivityPub. Are there alternative rules that would tackle your motivation better?
        • What constitutes an ad? Community is horribly split on this. There’s the obvious banner ad, but there’s also instance sponsors or users simply proclaiming how overly happy they’ve been with a certain product. People are calling each other sheeps and bought shills left and right. Go to a tech community, advocate for a browser that isn’t a derivative of Firefox and you’ll see what I mean.
        • As for altering the protocol, again: What are your motivations for this, and could another rule tackle them better?

        Before we establish any rules, it might be best to establish a communally agreed set of motivations and goals for the fediverse first.

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