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ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

Mfer, YOU TRAINED THEM TO IGNORE IT

Remember when a self-driving car killed someone walking their bike in Arizona, while the car’s “handler” was watching a movie on their tablet?

Yeah, the employee should have been paying attention, but it’s not realistic to expect someone to stay alert for an 8-hour shift where the task is as monotonous as watching a car drive itself. That’s why commercial transport drivers have mandated breaks and why two pilots are in charge of an airplane at a time.

To be clear, I am in favour of self-driving cars and don’t think they need to be perfect, just better than the average human, but the companies training them need to have standards that are both realistic and safe.

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RidcullyTheBrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

but it’s not realistic to expect someone to stay alert for an 8-hour shift where the task is as monotonous as watching a car drive itself.

It wasn’t an 8 hour shift and watching the car was the actual job, come on! The driver was the tester. They were testing a system which wasn’t yet ready to go untested. The accident is entirely the fault of the driver in that case.

And it’s not like their reflexes were slower because of boredom. No. They were not paying any attention at all. They were watching a video. That is gross negligence and not the fault of the car or of the manufacturer.

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- Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  They were testing. While it almost certainly wasn’t explicit, they were also testing the worst self-driving car operators. And human nature. Yes, it was their job and they should have been paying close attention every second. But if they were… Is it possible a worse (less-safe) self-driving car would have made it to market? I think fatalities from self-driving cars are going to happen regardless, whether during or after the testing process, and I also think that’s horrible…
  
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  - RidcullyTheBrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    But if they were… Is it possible a worse (less-safe) self-driving car would have made it to market?
    
    The purpose of the testing was to make sure that good products made it to the market. Events like these which are human error have created bad press and have set the concept back by years. And these are not years of research, no. These are years in which the projects have been put on the back burner and we’re getting small increments like lane assist which are bad (as in poor quality) most of the time and give users the false feeling that they have a self driving car.
    
    I think fatalities from self-driving cars are going to happen regardless, whether during or after the testing process, and I also think that’s horrible…
    
    I don’t think that’s the correct way to look at it. Accidents will happen. It is impossible to prevent all of them. But the total number of fatalities would go down dramatically if self driving cars would be more present on the roads and that is a huge win.
    
    42,795 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes in US alone in 2022. I think that even with the current technology, this number would still be reduced by half and that is a huge win.
    
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    Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    The purpose of the testing was to make sure that good products made it to the market.
    
    No, the purpose of testing is to make sure profitable products make it to market. Even the most good-intentioned company (do they exist?) has their priorities set by shareholders.
    
    For example, airlines have a set price they will pay the families of people killed by them. Is it moral? Is it ethical? No. It is financial. What can they offer, without having to enact costly behavior and safety overhauls…
    
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Locrin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I mean, these things are going to happen. But that person was attempting to cross 5 lines of traffic after crossing 2 just before. It’s a terrible idea to try that. Here is a picture: static01.nyt.com/…/accident-diagram-1050.png

The driver also ignored safety instructions. You can only plan for so much. Let’s say you put two drivers in the car. They could both be watching the movie and not paying attention. I have no sympathy for the driver being “bored”. I used to have a long boring commute. I listened to audio books and podcasts. I did not fiddle with my phone or watch movies. If you pilot a veihicle with autonomous driving or not pay attention. Most people can handle that just driving themselves around. This person had it as a job. No excuse.

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- limelight79@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I’ll note that you were actually doing something during that long, boring commute - you were driving the car (I assume). In the other case, the person wasn’t doing anything at all and had nothing to focus on…that’s MUCH harder.
  
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