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haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Here you have some arguments then:

Federating with a 10x larger entity that has a ton of very well known names on their list is going to dwarf anything that the fediverse so far has to offer. I‘m not saying in quality but definitely in quantity.

The argument is sound because its the exact same that happens with heroin. Your brain gets flooded with dopamine, you feel as happy as you have never felt in your life and likely will never feel again. The withdrawal symptoms are reported to be cruel. The reason is that „healthy“ amounts of dopamine just dont cut it anymore.

The same happens to people quitting big corpo „social“ media. I felt it and I have read of dozens who felt it as well (Obviously not as hard as heroin but the same mechanic). Now I‘m off the proverbial needle and meta federating is just going to bring us back to old habits. Endless, partly divisive content, potential for pushing ads with the posts and using our reactions for profiling.

Like the frog in the kettle we wont get dystopia tomorrow but like disney pushing their prices 50%, we get it eventually, bit by bit.

If meta ever defederates or limits the capabilities of fediverse instances, thousands of (again) hooked addicts will flock back to them. It’s literally obvious if you have any experience with addiction.

Also, we’ve had this discussion with covid, with climate change, with lgbtq rights, abortion… can we maybe start seeing the pattern here? Its always „not that bad“ while some are abusing and exploiting others and those who call it out have the „woke virus“ and are called fearmongers.

Fearmongering is if the media or the government does it, not people who are actually there using the stuff and suffering under things. That is called asking others for help/to understand.

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RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You forgot profit.

If Meta/threads sees a way to cram ads into their instance(s), they will. If they offer money to others to put ads on their instances, they will. If they make rules or other demands of those making money - like no defederating from Meta/Threads, or requiring federating with other corporate instances, they will. On top of that, you’re going to get people drawn into the fediverse, like influencers, political spammers, more bots, and anyone else that follows that type of social media. Coders will start writing corporate-friendly instance code that will allow individuals (like influencers) to spin up profitable instances quickly that tie right into the corporateverse.

EEE will happen. We can argue about defederating from these corporate instances, but it’s going to be a running retreat.

Maybe hyperbolic. Maybe not. If, of course, if meta/threads finds the fediverse profitable.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I really enjoyed reading this although it is quite dystopian. Very well put. Thank you.
  
  You know that someone with the ability to write like this could always write to the guy who founded mastodon for example (who apparently is on the hype train himself, who knows, maybe he has been paid already. But I got no evidence).
  
  I‘m actually suspecting a lot of the „wait & see“ peeps to be paid actors or „true believers“ that already have a threads account and are working for the takeover.
  
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  - RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m pretty cynical. I’m a huge sci-fi fan, and enjoy everything from Star Trek, to The Expanse, to William Gibson’s novels. P K Dick, too.
    
    You want to know which futuristic reality they projected is the one in the lead? I can tell you it’s not the gleaming white space stations with hundreds of thousands of humans peacefully engaged in furthering knowledge and exploration.
    
    Nope.
    
    It’s the despotic corporatocracy with the token ineffective government winning. The corporations rule all. Ever read Jennifer Government? Yeah, we’re headed for Gibson’s Sprawl and disparity in a hurry…well, if Climate Change doesn’t get us all first.
    
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    haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I feel like I would like to read those but 1984 already made me wanna puke so I might have to pass.
    
    Still, I very much get what you mean.
    
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- kernelle@0d.gs ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  So then explain to me, how exactly does this impact you? What about you block the meta instance yourself? You will not see any threads content and will continue to use lemmy/ActivityPub in literally the exact same way.
  
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  - RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If corporations get their hooks into the fediverse it will be like putting out fires. Plenty of people out there willing to sacrifice what the fediverse is for a few bucks. I don’t want Threads/Meta to even get a toehold, that shit’s poison.
    
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    kernelle@0d.gs ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Do you know how federation works? Because if you did you’d know that ‘corportions get their hooks into the fediverse’ does not mean anything. Defederation and forking of the source code is a click away, the reason lemmy exists is to move away from corporations. Contradicting that would just spawn a new lemmy federation.
    
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kernelle@0d.gs ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

dwarf anything that the fediverse so far has to offer

You curate your own feed, if you don’t like seeing posts from that instance, then block it yourself. Like with NSFW instances, I don’t see any in my feed, don’t like them? Block them. For new users there will be instances who have defederated and those who have not. Why should your dopamine addiction be my problem? Advocating for every instance to defederate preemptively is more than counter productive, it’s the very definition of fear mongering.

So no, your argument does not hold up.

If meta ever defederates or limits the capabilities of fediverse instances, thousands of (again) hooked addicts will flock back to them. It’s literally obvious if you have any experience with addiction.

Then we will defederate, people wanting that algorithmic dopamine hit are already getting it, and people in virtual rehab will know to block anything they want.

There is still no argument against the wait and see approach.

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- haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Why should your dopamine addiction be my problem?
  
  The same reason our taxes pay for mental health clinics, addiction therapies, methadone clinics and so on…
  
  Because it is the right thing to do.
  
  and secondly, because its not my problem. I‘m just aware of it. This article explains it well. There is a study about it but I can’t find it rn. marketplace.org/…/new-research-quantifies-why-you…
  
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  - kernelle@0d.gs ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If you really want to compare social media to drug use, how does the need for decriminalisation fit into this? Don’t limit what people can or can’t do because you fear the outcome. Let everyone (ie users and admins) decide for themselves which platforms they want to see, and give them the tools to do so.
    
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    haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You probably see that you changed gears now, right?
    
    I answered your question. That is why you should care and not jump on the bandwagon.
    
    Just for completeness: i never said its completely the same. I said (and have proof) that social media can be and very often is addictive and keeping a profiting company out isnt keeping the drugs from people. Its cutting the dealer out. Basically the same as legalization if you will.
    
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- pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There are plenty of arguments. You’re just not listening because you’re likely just some dumb shill getting paid to astroturf for Threads like you assholes always do whenever corporations need your help convincing stupid people online corporate interests are what the majority wants.
  
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  - kernelle@0d.gs ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Then go ahead, argue, I’m trying to have a civil conversation.
    
    I host my own server to get away from monopolies, I actively support the development of lemmy and ActivityPub, what do you do exactly but detract credibility from your peers do have genuine concerns.
    
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    pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I ignore dumbasses like you and carry on with my life, knowing I can convince everyone else not to listen to you. Ignoring obvious astroturfing is an easy sell.
    
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