Comment on Dear server admins, please defederate threads.net. Dear users, ask your server admin to defederate threads.net.

• wetnoodle@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  Zuck has been refining his unethical business model for decades, they aren’t joining activitypub to be a team player.

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  • pascal@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is there a way to technically deliver an unbroken user experience to a thread user without privacy issues?

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    • wetnoodle@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not really that I can think of, which is why I don’t think anyone should federate with them. I agree it’s instance operator and users choice but I feel like the default shouldn’t be “sign your privacy away, block them if you want to have privacy again (which you likely already lost some of from being federated with them)”

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• Lucia@eviltoast.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  How will they force their unethical business model on you?

  Their ToS (another user already sent a link to it) says they will collect data of anyone interacting with users on their service.

  There’s this weird argument that our data is public so privacy violation is okay. But, even if it’s technically possible to collect and analyze data of fedizens doesn’t mean it’s okay to do. If it would become known that some of the existing instances do this they will be immediately defederated by everyone. But of course it’s different for Meta because they’re such a nice company!

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  • Womble@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You don’t have privacy in public, that’s the difference between public and private. If meta wanted to they could scrape the entirety of the fediverse every weekend without anyone being federated with an instance of theirs. So that isnt a good reason for defederating.

    Fear of EEE is a more reasonable argument, but given that it can be done at any point I dont see any reason to do it pre-emptively rather than take a wait and see approach.

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    • Lucia@eviltoast.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You don’t have privacy in public, that’s the difference between public and private. If meta wanted to they could scrape the entirety of the fediverse every weekend without anyone being federated with an instance of theirs. So that isnt a good reason for defederating.

      I literally said that: “There’s this weird argument that our data is public so privacy violation is okay.”

      It doesn’t matter if it’s public, they use their server for data mining and we can prevent that. Someone may collect our data secretely but it doesn’t make more open approach to data mining any better or more ethical.

      given that it can be done at any point I dont see any reason to do it pre-emptively rather than take a wait and see approach.

      The longer users on your instance interact with content on Threads, the harder it will be to defederate (people will get angy about losing their content and their reach).

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      • Womble@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        My point was that you cant have your privacy violated in public as you don’t have privacy in public. That’s what being in public means, a place that isnt private.

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