am have different problem
platform owned by corporation tends to have more pro corporate users
what happens to fediverse culture
I'm snarky because I'm annoyed at seeing the constant FUD being lauded around here. Sorry if it comes off as hostile.
Yes, Meta is a shit corp who doesn't deserve any free pass. However, ActivityPub wasn't built with exclusion in mind. Nor does the protocol allow Meta access to anything that you aren't already giving up freely to thousands upon thousands of other servers (many of whom cannot or will not respect your rights to data privacy) whenever you use any Fediverse platform.
People who are scared of Meta joining the Fediverse simply do not understand how the Fediverse works, or misunderstand the design philosophy of ActivityPub.
sour@kbin.social 9 months ago
Chozo@kbin.social 9 months ago
what happens to existing culture on fediverse
Likely nothing. If Threads users are problematic, then instances can defederate later.
Doing it preemptively or forming a pact is just absurd, though. It's treating the users of Threads as a threat, instead of Meta (who can and will still be able to harvest anything they want from the Fediverse, because that's how ActivityPub works), and that's not fair to them who didn't ask to be thrown into our community in the first place.
sour@kbin.social 9 months ago
defederate later
problem often causes damage before is addressed
they signed up for threads
Chozo@kbin.social 9 months ago
If that's how you want to run your instance, that's your right to do. But for community-based instances, the users should have some say in the matter.
Yes, I can move to another instance if mine decides to defederate, but that's a lot of hassle that I'd have to go through because of a decision somebody else made for me, all because they can't or won't moderate themselves.
yOya@lemm.ee 9 months ago
problem often causes damage before is addressed
pre block be safer
You build a bridge. After awhile it might start to decay and without proper upkeep it might even collapse! Better to never build a bridge in the first place.
liquidparasyte@pawb.social 9 months ago
Clearly you haven’t dealt with a Mastodon instance having a major defederation event.
For most users, regardless of the validity of the defed, the user experience is terrible. Their social graph just suddenly, stops working, the people they follow can no longer see their posts, all because of the actions of a few bad actors or administration failures.
This paired with the fact that maybe only Firefish or Misskey lets you (mostly) seamlessly migrate to a new instance with your data intact, and the lack of a standard way to see what followers you will actually keep when you migrate, means that the defederation experience is sucks, and migrating to a different instance to escape that is a pain in the ass.
Meta has already shown it has piss poor moderation in the best of times, and actively boosts incendiary content in the worst of times, all while collecting, profiling, and exploiting your data. It’s literally inevitable that they’re going to break the rules of all but the free-est of free speech Instances, so for the privacy, safety, and headaches of everyone in the fediverse, we might as well save ourselves the trouble.**
mateomaui@reddthat.com 9 months ago
Most people on Threads aren’t pro-corporate, they don’t actually give a shit about that. They’re just too confused by the decentralized model to be on Mastodon, and wanted somewhere to be other than Twitter.
sour@kbin.social 9 months ago
aren't pro corporate
threads can still have more than fediverseuse analogy instead
mateomaui@reddthat.com 9 months ago
Except I have no idea WTF that reply means so good luck getting threads users to understand it.
squiblet@kbin.social 9 months ago
ActivityPub wasn't built with exclusion in mind.
So what? People can run kbin or Lemmy as a standalone forum not connected to anything, if they want. People are free to use the software however they see fit. Wouldn't exactly be the first time people choose to use software in some other way then the authors intended.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 9 months ago
Yes it was, that’s what defederation is for. The potential for exclusion is literally built into the design philosophy of federated networks. Every instance has the freedom to not host Meta’s crap. I don’t know why people don’t understand this.
You’ve also made the point that the information is still accessible, so it’s not like we’re taking down their instance. We’re just turning it into a pariah to devalue it, and if enough instances do this, I guess that means the action is popular. If it wasn’t, it wouldn’t succeed. There’s very little to debate here, it just sounds like you don’t like people using their power to do something you disagree with. Sorry, that’s up to those people. It’s not for you to dictate what other people do with federation.