Comment on Dear server admins, please defederate threads.net. Dear users, ask your server admin to defederate threads.net.

• otter@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  While I’m cool with blocking threads.net, “we should block all corps from the Fediverse” doesn’t make sense and that’s not the reason we should use

  It’s fine if an instance wants to make that their policy, the fediverse gives an instance the freedom to do so, but it wouldn’t be useful to the users

  Other bad reasons:

  • “Meta can spy on us”: they can do that even without threads.net, and federating makes little difference there

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  • Sanyanov@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We certainly should keep corps at a 1km pole from here.

    They come and ruin everything they tough in the name of profit. Can they force their way? Partially, maybe, in some ways. But if we welcome them with open doors, it will get way worse.

    Let’s keep this place tidy of bullshit, pretty please.

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    • otter@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We can take precautions against their nonsense by enforcing the standards, and we can educate people about why it’s a problem. That becomes difficult if we just close off entirely

      I don’t think we should give up or welcome them with open doors, I just think there’s more nuance to it than “defederate from any fediverse thing tied to a for profit entity”

      Facebook’s case is special because of their nasty history with control and abuse, so if people want to be extra aggressive with them then sure

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      • Sanyanov@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well, first off - protect yourself, and then manage the rest. I welcome the noble goal of enforcement and policies and education, but it will always be like cathing a slinky.

        We should be very vigilant with their presence here, and in this case, we should certainly close off.

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  • Dieinahole@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do you understand what corporations do?

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    • otter@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve got some understanding yes

      I think most people here have a similar sentiment around corporations and big tech companies, which is why we’re on this platform and why we donate to keep them run by nonprofits

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• Chozo@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It wasn't a roll-call.

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  • sour@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    why snark

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    • Chozo@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I'm snarky because I'm annoyed at seeing the constant FUD being lauded around here. Sorry if it comes off as hostile.

      Yes, Meta is a shit corp who doesn't deserve any free pass. However, ActivityPub wasn't built with exclusion in mind. Nor does the protocol allow Meta access to anything that you aren't already giving up freely to thousands upon thousands of other servers (many of whom cannot or will not respect your rights to data privacy) whenever you use any Fediverse platform.

      People who are scared of Meta joining the Fediverse simply do not understand how the Fediverse works, or misunderstand the design philosophy of ActivityPub.

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      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        ActivityPub wasn’t built with exclusion in mind

        Yes it was, that’s what defederation is for. The potential for exclusion is literally built into the design philosophy of federated networks. Every instance has the freedom to not host Meta’s crap. I don’t know why people don’t understand this.

        You’ve also made the point that the information is still accessible, so it’s not like we’re taking down their instance. We’re just turning it into a pariah to devalue it, and if enough instances do this, I guess that means the action is popular. If it wasn’t, it wouldn’t succeed. There’s very little to debate here, it just sounds like you don’t like people using their power to do something you disagree with. Sorry, that’s up to those people. It’s not for you to dictate what other people do with federation.

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      • sour@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        am have different problem

        platform owned by corporation tends to have more pro corporate users

        what happens to fediverse culture

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      • squiblet@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        ActivityPub wasn't built with exclusion in mind.

        So what? People can run kbin or Lemmy as a standalone forum not connected to anything, if they want. People are free to use the software however they see fit. Wouldn't exactly be the first time people choose to use software in some other way then the authors intended.

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