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But you would agree that the rocks themselves cannot have an issue with it? That’s the gist of the sentientist position. Sentient beings have an interest in living, not being exploited and thus the sentientist position goes further and say that for the same reasons we say that humans have a right to live (i.e.: not being killed) or being exploited, we should extend the same rights to sentient beings because there is no morally relevant difference between us and other sentient beings that would justify killing them when you would not kill a human being in the same position.

Note that this does not mean all sentient beings should have exactly the same rights. Obviously giving the right to vote to a cow does not make sense, the same way we don’t give the right to abortion to cis men because they cannot make use of this right.

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commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

we say that humans have a right

i don’t. rights are a fiction.

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- tekila@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Ok it feels like you’re just starting to spam answers without even taking the time to argument on why you think something. I try to take the time to justify my position and you just answer with small sentences that don’t do anything for an interesting discussion.
  
  Let’s stop there, have a nice day.
  
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  - commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    have a nice day.
    
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commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

we should extend the same rights to sentient beings because there is no morally relevant difference between us and other sentient beings

yes there is.

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- tekila@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  What’s your morally relevant argument for killing for example cows for taste pleasure and not humans then? What’s this special trait humans have that other sentient being do not possess that allows us to do that to them?
  
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  - commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    What’s this special trait humans have that other sentient being do not possess that allows us to do that to them?
    
    they aren’t human.
    
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commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

But you would agree that the rocks themselves cannot have an issue with it?

yea. it doesn’t change whether you’re practicing discrimination.

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- tekila@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes I agree in principle that it’s a discrimination. They way I used discrimination was implying that someone on the “bad” side of the discrimination could be discriminated against. My bad I should have clearly defined the way I used this term. Sorry English is not my first language as well.
  
  In any case a discrimination that does not hurt the discriminated or another sentient being is of no consequence for me.
  
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  - commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    so you can see, in this case, NDT was right that vegans also practice speciesism, even if his other arguments are kinda stupid.
    
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