Comment on Pluralistic: "If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing"

• helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Once again with the strawman.

  Intellectual property is not a thought that you own. It’s an idea or digital creation. Something that actually takes time to make, often a whole lot of time. Something you never would have dedicated as much time to if you couldn’t be compensated for it.

  I love how you guys play these mental gymnastics to justify this shit to yourselves.

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  • gapbetweenus@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You seem to not understand what the word own means and the difference between material and not material goods.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You seem to not understand what “theft” means.

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      • gapbetweenus@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I have a thing and than someone takes it away, so I can’t use it anymore. If somebody copies that thing - it’s not really theft.

        My point is more - concepts from physical world don’t nessessary apply to digital world.

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  • lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I love how you guys play these mental gymnastics to justify this shit to yourselves.

    I love how you bootlickers always deny that anyone could possibly have a principled objection to modern intellectual property laws. I don’t need to “justify” at all. I rarely even pirate anything, but I don’t believe I’m doing anything wrong when I do.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I love how you bootlickers always deny that anyone could possibly have a principled objection to modern intellectual property laws.

      Wow look that’s 3 strawman in a row, you guys are exceptional at fabricating fictional arguments to tear down.

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      • LemmysMum@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If you’re going to use that word you should at least know what it means so you don’t sound stupid.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Intellectual property is not a thought that you own. It’s an idea

    Ah, it’s an idea, not a thought. Gotcha. Glad you cleared that up.

    Something that actually takes time to make, often a whole lot of time.

    Who the fuck cares? Dinner also takes a great deal of time to make.

    Something you never would have dedicated as much time to if you couldn’t be compensated for it.

    That’s not true. People have been telling stories and creating art since humanity climbed down from the trees. Compensation might encourage more people to do it, but there was never a time that people weren’t creating, regardless of compensation. In addition, copyright, patents and trademarks are only one way of trying to get compensation. The Sistine chapel ceiling was painted not by an artist who was protected by copyright, but by an artist who had rich patrons who paid him to work.

    Maybe “Meg 2: The Trench” wouldn’t have been made unless Warner Brothers knew it would be protected by copyright until 2143. But… maybe it’s not actually necessary to give that level of protection to the expression of ideas for people to be motivated to make them. In addition, maybe the harms of copyright aren’t balanced by the fact that people in 2143 will finally be able to have “Meg 2: The Trench” in the public domain.

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    • ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why should an artist not be paid but a gardener or someone who build your house is supposed to be paid?

      After all, humans build stuff and make stuff with plants without compensation all the time.

      You just sound like a Boomer who thinks work is only work when the product isn’t entertaining or art.

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      • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Why are you making up a story about an artist not getting paid?

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Who the fuck cares?

      People who are not human fucking garbage care. If you don’t care about stealing from someone else what they spent years of time and money to create, you’re just a trash person and this conversation is moot.

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      • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        People who are not human fucking garbage care

        Well, you seem pretty garbagey, and you seem to care.

        If your position is that you simply don’t care about stealing

        Infringing copyright isn’t stealing.

        what they spent years of time and money to create

        So, if it doesn’t take years to create it’s fine to infringe copyright?

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  • aylex@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Something you never would have dedicated as much time to if you couldn’t be compensated for it.”

    Just telling on yourself 😂

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What is that supposed to mean?

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