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• TheHalc@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You live in Finland.

  We have military service here because we’re a small country with a large and aggressive neighbour that not only has attacked us within living memory, but is currently demonstrating what it does to neighbouring countries that it thinks it can get away with attacking.

  If military service makes sense anywhere…

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  • EarWorm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I am not against military service. I am against MANDATORY military service. Do you honestly think that giving people a choice is a bad thing? That making people choose between learning to kill and obey or going to jail is justified? Or do you think that the majority of young people wouldn’t serve if it wasn’t mandatory? Please.

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    • TheHalc@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is like saying:

      I am not against taxation. I am against MANDATORY taxation. Do you honestly think that giving people a choice is a bad thing?

      No-one wants mandatory military service, but it’s necessary for the sake of society as a whole. Maybe one day it won’t be, but clearly that’s not the case now.

      As for choice, you do have a choice and you know it. Civilian service is a thing here.

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      • EarWorm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Are you actually comparing paying for healthcare, infrastructure and social security to military service? That’s pretty ridiculous and I think you know it.

        Mandatory military service is absolutely not necessary for the sake of society. In Norway, for example, around 80% are released from service and it’s doing quite alright. Sweden is doing fine, too and only a portion of eligible people are actually called in.

        And you’re just glossing over the fact that the overwhelming majority in Finland would still serve if it wasn’t mandatory, according to polls the willingness to serve has never really dropped.

        And regarding the civilian service, I went there. It’s a year for everyone, instead of 6 months minimum for the military. You also get paid the same as the fresh recruits in the military, which is simply not enough for a civilian. You try living with the day wage if you don’t believe me. And that pay is for a 40h work week. Those conditions are in places worse than the conditions in open prisons, like in Suomenlinna for example. So civilian service is in essence a prison sentence.

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• raydenuni@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s necessary in order to get soldiers to kill or go die as both of these are unnatural to humans.

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  • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why would killing be unnatural to humans. Even in the nomadic lifestyles we hunted for food.

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    • Pat12@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There are multiple studies showing that humans are hesitant to kill another human.

      academic.oup.com/book/12748/…/162864298?redirecte…

      On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society is a book by Dave Grossman exploring the psychology of the act of killing and the military and law enforcement establishments attempt to understand and deal with the consequences of killing. The book is based on S.L.A. Marshall’s theory that the majority of soldiers in war do not ever fire their weapons due to an innate resistance to killing

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    • raydenuni@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Killing other humans specifically. …berkeley.edu/…/hope_on_the_battlefield

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• Sethayy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Power tripping AND undoubted autnotify? How could that ever go wrong!

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