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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  See, that works for a farm.

  I don’t see how it works for a $40 billion chip fabrication plant.

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  • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Simple. You know all those scientists that work at $40 billion chip plants? They would actually take the $40 billion and not some random suit who doesn’t do any of the actual work. Executive leadership is important, but it’s not worth 1000x the average worker’s salary.

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So who builds it? Do you just get together with 40,000 of your friends and go “hey if everyone here chips in a million, we can compete with TSMC”?

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      • Arelin@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Organizing it through a Socialist government would probably be the easiest.

        And complaining about such a tiny challenge is hilarious lmao

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      • Malfeasant@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh no, a challenge. Let’s not even try.

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  • Arelin@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Work isn’t just physical you know. Management, planning, etc is work too, and they’d get paid according to how many want to do them, and how hard they are.

    The difference is, like I said, that some greedy rich guy who’d want to give as little of the profit as possible to the people actually making the product or providing the service wouldn’t own that means of production.

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• Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You mean capitalist cooperatives? They exist

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  • Arelin@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Co-ops and unions are certainly steps in the right direction, but they’re more like temporary band-aids over Capitalism instead of implementing proper Socialism.

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    • Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Because proper socialism always devolves into tyranny

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      • Malfeasant@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        As capitalism is currently doing…

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      • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        People always say this and then fail to provide a single example of when proper socialism existed and then destroyed the country.

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      • Arelin@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        How so? Cuba has one of the most open democracies in the world. Plus free healthcare, no homelessness, and enough free high level education to provide Italy with doctors during the pandemic.

        All while the US has an embargo on them for 60 years now to prevent them from trading with other countries, which will hopefully change once China’s Belt and Road Initiative is complete.

        Clearly this model works. It does require expelling landleeches, plantation owners and billionaires if they don’t comply (like Cuba did), but I don’t think most people would be mad about that.

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  • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s an oxymoron. There is literally no such thing as a capitalist cooperative. By definition, co-ops are socialist.

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    • Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, he does want to give the airlines to the workers

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