Comment on Asking ChatGPT to Repeat Words ‘Forever’ Is Now a Terms of Service Violation

• mark@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yup. And instead, they make us pay them for it. 🤡

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• SCB@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The compensation you get for your data is access to whatever app.

  You’re more than welcome to simply not do this thing that billions of people also do not do.

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  • ammonium@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This doesn’t come out of an app, they scraped the Internet.

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  • restingboredface@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s easy to say, but when every company doing this is also lobbying congress to basically allow them to build a monopoly and eliminate all alternatives, the choice is use our service or nothing. Which basically applies to the entire internet.

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  • PrettyLights@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    These LLM scrape our data whether or not we use their “app” or service.

    Are you proposing that everyone should just not use the Internet at all?

    What about the data posted about me online without my express consent?

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    • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Are you proposing that everyone should just not use the Internet at all?

      I’m proposing that you received fair compensation for the value you provided the LLM

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• stewsters@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  According to the site TOS, when we write our reddit posts we give them basically full access to do whatever they like including make derivative works:

  When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.

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  • MoogleMaestro@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    According to most sites TOS, when we write our posts we give them basically full access to do whatever they like including make derivative works.

    2 points:
    1 - I'm generally talking about companies extracting data from other websites, such as OpenAI scraping posts from reddit or other such postings. Companies that use their own collection of data are a very different thing.
    2 - Terms of Service and Intellectual Property are two very different things, and a ToS is not a fully legally binding document (the last part is the important part.) This is why services that have dealt with user created data that are used to licensing issues (think deviant art or other art hosting services) usually require the user to specify the license that they wish to distribute their content under (cc0, for example, would be fully permissible in this context.) This also means that most fan art is fair game as licensing that content is dubious at best, but raises the question around whether said content can be used to train an AI (again, intellectual property is generally different from a ToS).

    It's no different from how Github's Copilot has to respect the license of your code regardless of whether you've agreed to the terms of service or not. Granted, this is legally disputable and I'm sure this will come up at some point with how these AI companies operate -- This is the territory that's a brave new world. Having said that, services like Twitter might want to give second thought of claiming ownership over every post on their site as it essentially means they are liable for the content that they host that they let users. This is something they've wanted to avoid in the past because it gives them good coverage for user submitted content that they think is harmful.

    If I was a company, I wouldn't want to be hinging my entire business on my terms of service being a legally binding document -- they generally aren't and can frequently be found to be unbinding. And, again, this is different from OpenAI as much of their data is based on data they've scraped from websites which they haven't agreed to take data from (finders-keepers is generally not how ownership works and is more akin to piracy. I wouldn't want to base a business off of piracy.)

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