Comment on Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives
kpw@kbin.social 11 months agoGreat. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability.
Comment on Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives
kpw@kbin.social 11 months agoGreat. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability.
LWD@lemm.ee 11 months ago
This is the Privacy community, not the virtue community. If you genuinely cared about implementation above all else, then Matrix runs circles around XMPP in terms of solid implementation of end-to-end encryption, so I’m not sure what your point is other than defending a piece of software that is pretty much dead in the water.
kpw@kbin.social 11 months ago
Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.
Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:
LWD@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You take for granted the opinion that xmpp is best because it got here first. As I’ve demonstrated, that means it’s falling apart and less likely to be adopted over time, not more likely. Your complaints about Matrix also clash with your supposed virtue of wanting interoperability overall; at what point did the company behind it start mattering to you?
I’m not even sure what you’re arguing for. It’s not interoperability, it’s not privacy… is this just the end result of the sunk cost fallacy?
kpw@kbin.social 11 months ago
It doesn't clash at all. If startups keep re-inventing the wheel just to have shiny things to sell investors on we end up with fragmentation which is terrible for interoperability. For example it's impossible to send an encrypted message to a Matrix user using any XMPP client, since Matrix bridges can't handle end-to-end encryption. Why? Because the company behind Matrix just had to cook up their own protocol instead of building on (and thus improving) existing internet standards. This is bad for interoperability and privacy.
You also seem to have trouble understanding that there can be multiple factors at play, not just a single one. I'm not arguing just privacy or just interoperability, but a combination. XMPP performs well in both while Signal performs slightly better in the first one while completely failing the second one.