Comment on Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives

• kpw@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You care a lot about standardization of OMEMO, yet you don't apply the same to Signal which contributes exactly nothing to any standards body.

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  • LWD@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I care about privacy. OMEMO is just the closest thing XMPP has to it, and it’s still stagnant

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• kpw@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Great. I'll check if Signal is compatible with any internet standards too. I'll tag you to celebrate a decade without interoperability.

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  • LWD@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the Privacy community, not the virtue community. If you genuinely cared about implementation above all else, then Matrix runs circles around XMPP in terms of solid implementation of end-to-end encryption, so I’m not sure what your point is other than defending a piece of software that is pretty much dead in the water.

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    • kpw@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Interoperability and standardization is not just a virtue, it is a necessary condition for sustainability. Unlike Signal, modern XMPP implementations have great privacy properties AND great sustainability properties.

      Matrix is a much better choice than Signal since it offers provider choice, but I wouldn't be sure it's any better than XMPP in terms of usability or sustainability:

      • https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/111124199813920310
      • https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07
      • https://lemmy.world/post/8941217
      • its ecosystem is mostly dependent on a single venture capital funded startup which currently is loosing money
      • its implementations aren't compatible with the existing internet standard XMPP

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      • LWD@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You take for granted the opinion that xmpp is best because it got here first. As I’ve demonstrated, that means it’s falling apart and less likely to be adopted over time, not more likely. Your complaints about Matrix also clash with your supposed virtue of wanting interoperability overall; at what point did the company behind it start mattering to you?

        I’m not even sure what you’re arguing for. It’s not interoperability, it’s not privacy… is this just the end result of the sunk cost fallacy?

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