@jupiter_rowland Is there actually a refusal to count those? Or is it just a combination of measurement artifacts (some don't show users) and that their numbers are too small to show up at this point? Calckey's growth for example is from a tiny starting point.
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jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu 11 months ago@Tim Chambers @marcelcosta @Jon If either are accurate. All I know is that CalcKey is growing like crazy because it gets a whole lot of exposure and publicity in the Fediverse, and because it's currently the most feature-rich ActivityPub-based project while still having a decent UI.
In this regard, I think the refusal to include Akkoma and CalcKey because Pleroma and MissKey are already there isn't quite smart. Pleroma barely matters because Akkoma outshines it, and MissKey only matters in Japan while CalcKey is booming over here.
In this regard, I think the refusal to include Akkoma and CalcKey because Pleroma and MissKey are already there isn't quite smart. Pleroma barely matters because Akkoma outshines it, and MissKey only matters in Japan while CalcKey is booming over here.
jdp23@indieweb.social 11 months ago
marcelcosta@bcn.fedi.cat 11 months ago
@jdp23 @jupiter_rowland @tchambers
>Is there actually a refusal to count those?
No, as far as I understand, if the API from the software returns users, there are counted. Akkoma is included for sure (and to note, I'm writing from a server with it :) ), not sure with calckey, but we can check it.
marcelcosta@bcn.fedi.cat 11 months ago
@jupiter_rowland @jdp23 @tchambers Hey! That was the point of the analysis in part, to generate debate and tools to monitor.
In theory, absolute accounts of servers include data from many softweres. It's the MAU value that only includes Mastodon servers. I think that both measures show the same trend, so.
And yes, API query must be improved. Some diaspora servers are excluded because of lag in answering. This should be addressed (although the biggest instance is alive but will close soon and doesn't accept new posts).
If there is interest on that, we can plot software distribution across servers and users.jdp23@indieweb.social 11 months ago
@marcelcosta @jupiter_rowland @tchambers agreed, it's useful data despite the quirks-- and there's clearly interest!
There are several other measures of software and instance diversity that seem interesting to me: Mastodon's share of the overall Fediverse, mastodon.social's share of Mastodon, the top 10 instances' share of Mastodon, percentage of single-user instances and so on.
marcelcosta@bcn.fedi.cat 11 months ago
@jdp23 @jupiter_rowland @tchambers Maybe we could group all this questions in the socialhub threat (or here, if people don't have accounts there, although discourse is great to keep track of discussions).
I did a previous analysis (with serveral limitations) with March data, although it is in catalan language.
https://agora.fedi.cat/t/analisi-dels-servidors-del-fedivers/617jdp23@indieweb.social 11 months ago
@marcelcosta it's fine with me if people want to cut-and-paste the questions to the socialhub thread but I like my discussions about the #fediverse to take place in the fediverse! I agree that discourse is currently much better to keep track of discussions but there's no inherent reason the fediverse should be bad for that and "eating our own dogfood" creates pressure to improve things here.
tchambers@indieweb.social 11 months ago
@marcelcosta @jupiter_rowland @jdp23
Thank you Marcel! And appreciate your joining into this discussion on your work!
marcelcosta@bcn.fedi.cat 11 months ago
@tchambers @jupiter_rowland @jdp23 You're welcome! This was my intention. Me and others are really interested in measuring decentralization and network quality over quantity.
mathias@friendica.hellquist.eu 11 months ago
@jupiter_rowland
In general I find it noteworthy that pretty much no one is talking about the phenomenal growth Akkoma has had since its launch, which was just over 1 year ago. Comparatively it is really impressive.
It is twice the size a certain other service that "everyone" talks about (and the same amount of MAU's, which admittedly speaks for the even newer service), and which I also wish well, but given the talk about it I would've expected it to be explosive...not half the amount of users of Akkoma.
I just find it noteworthy that there isn't a beep regarding Akkoma (unless it comes from me, and people are bored of me raving about it).
I wonder what would've happened if Akkoma had gotten the same exposure though, given that it has a similar feature set.
#ImNotBitter 😆
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marcelcosta@bcn.fedi.cat 11 months ago
I appreciate the need to make visible many software. This is part of the decentralization! I can do a second round of analysis looking at these. However, in this first part I focused in the user distribution between servers. I did a first analyisis including the software information (I have shared it, although is not in english), but will be interesting to see the dynamics, too!
I have to say that I did this analysis in my free time, so I am sure that many things can be improved!
mathias@friendica.hellquist.eu 11 months ago
@marcelcosta @fediversenews Oh yeah, sorry, I just read the comment from @jupiter_rowland and felt I needed to air this thought I've had for a while, I forgot his reply was in relation to this visualisation.
I find your analysis really interesting. I didn't mean to give critique to that. I was just doing a fly-by comment of a general observation.
marcelcosta@bcn.fedi.cat 11 months ago