Comment on Japan automakers play catch-up in EV race
kurcatovium@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Until they (every one of them) catch-up with price to ICE it’s gonna be tough. Same story with every single automotive brand we had in past decades. They thought they’re invincible, until…
Exactly.
And when parts become available at my local auto parts store. One of my friends had a Model 3 and it took 1 MONTH to replace a broken passenger door mirror. It also took 3 WEEKS to fix a power seat issue. The same car had multiple growing pain issues that took way too much time to fix.
They were thrilled to trade it in on a new Camry so they could have a functioning car again.
This is just the state of the auto industry at the moment. There’s just as many teslas and evs waiting on parts as there re traditional ICE models. The days of having everything in stock at the dealer for a quick swap are dead and gone.
Was this in the last 4 years? Because supply chains and labor are still in recovery everywhere.
nicetriangle@kbin.social 11 months ago
Just need to start doing away with fuel subsidies
Wooki@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ah yes those fuel subsidies keep the up front cost of vehicles so high… (sarcasm)
Get a new one liner that’s contextually correct. Or is that the point, to be a pointless broken record.
spongebue@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The higher up-front cost of an EV can be justified when you consider the lower running costs. If gasoline costs more and outpaces any rise in electric costs, the running costs gap is that much wider and the up front costs are easier to overlook
Wooki@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Said no one ever who has done the math.
The cost per gallon on a same-same ICE is nowhere near the cost difference. Even over the long term the EV value falls off a cliff as the battery approaches zero so you can’t claim the cost back at the secondhand sale.
For example Korean sedan to Korean EV say Hyundai sonata ($40,000) vs IONIQ6 ($82,000 after gov rebates) is a difference of $42,000 just comparing up front costs. Fuel cost is (250x8.1(L/100)) is $2,025 per year all in AUD and km.
The more these overstaments are made the less credibility is given to the discussion of decarbonising the transport network. We need honest, cards on the table discussions. That’s my math. What’s yours?
Nighed@sffa.community 11 months ago
How many people can’t finance that though, they are going to be on a ridiculously high interest loan that will way outstrip the fuel savings.
The second hand market won’t be there for years (you can get a just about works petrol car ridiculously cheap) and who knows what their batteries will be like at that point
nicetriangle@kbin.social 11 months ago
Learn to have a discussion with people without being a dickhead about it.
Wooki@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Keep drinking that coolaid cultist
Nighed@sffa.community 11 months ago
Good point, just delete the second paragraph…