PHEV isn’t a solution. It’s a shitty stopgap
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LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Cause they are a shitty solution for most people. Folks have only been saying this 10 or so years now.
PHEV is a far better solution for most people and it’s easier to build more batteries to using less material.
jose1324@lemmy.world 9 months ago
stealthnerd@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s a great stop gap and it’s the bridge we need. It would reduce the great majority of emissions (those produced by commuters) while allowing people to drive longer distances without worry.
It buys us time to build out charging infrastructure and introduces people to the concept of a plug in vehicle.
Expecting everyone to switch to full electric overnight is unrealistic. There are still a lot of logistical issues we have to solve.
brlemworld@lemmy.world 9 months ago
A lot of people with PHEVs don’t plug in at all. So it’s actually worse for emissions.
jose1324@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Nobody is expecting people to switch ‘overnight’. At best it’s only at 2035 and it will probably be later. With how fast charging infra is going it’s mostly just a behavioural issue.
stealthnerd@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s not though. There are lots of use cases that electric vehicles are not suitable for (many covered in this thread). Sure there’s people who could switch and don’t out of fear or unwarranted concern but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re simply not feasible for a lot of people currently and PHEV’s are a great middle ground that can still vastly reduce emissions and that’s the goal here isn’t it?
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
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brlemworld@lemmy.world 9 months ago
PHEV is the worst of both worlds. You have to do maintenance that you would normally do on an ICE. The up front cost is often the same or more than EV or ICE.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Most new car buyers don’t care about maintenance. It’s not expensive. My 3 year service check was $175. All of it easy to do if I wasn’t a lazy bastard. Oil changes are $50 and I get a rental for 2 hours.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
I don’t understand how it’s better for the vast majority of people. People just haven’t used an electric car. Never having to go to a gas station is a nice bonus. The two biggest issues are price and charging if you don’t own a house. Apartment buildings should have a mandatory 1 charging port per apartment. They don’t need to be fast chargers, but it needs to be something where you can plug in after work and you’re good to go in the morning.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Unless charging stops sucking PHEV is a billion times easier. You just have wave away the primary reasons people don’t want them
PHEV is the best of both worlds. The phev f150 makes infinite more sense than the lightning.
jose1324@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The F150 doesn’t make sense, period. Electric isn’t going to fix these goddamn tanks for a grocery trip
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
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Cethin@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
You can plug your car into a regular wall outlet and get all the charge you need overnight. If you plug into dryer outlet, it’s even faster. It doesn’t necessarily require special equipment and you don’t need to drive to some gas station to use their equipment to put liquid energy into your car. It’s simple and convenient. I what way does charging suck?
The only time you might have an issue is a long road trip. You’re probably fine with electric, but it does require slightly more planning. If you don’t want to do that, for the few days you’re doing thar trip just rent an ICE vehicle. It not that hard to handle. It’s like people thinking they need a truck because they carry a few boards once every few years. Just ask someone for help or rent a uhaul or something. Why waste your money on that vehicle when you rarely use it for it’s purpose? (Not saying you don’t, but the vast majority of truck owners have never put anything into the bed of their truck.)
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
So so many people do not park indoors or near an outlet.
And I’ll be damned (as I suspect others will be) if I’m going to spend thousands of dollars renting a car every time I take a trip.
It’s far easier for most consumers to have 40-80 miles of range with a gas backup.
Virulent@reddthat.com 9 months ago
Or just… Charge at home? How often are people driving more than 250 miles in a day?
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I do it at least 5 times a year. Not to mention the significant population without access to dedicated charging.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 months ago
And if I don't have an electric car I get a discount on my rent, right?
Right?