Comment on Car dealers say they can’t sell EVs, tell Biden to slow their rollout

Vacationlandgirl@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• ThisOne@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I have a 2017 bolt EV - bought used, not one that is advertised as having great mileage even in 2017. I routinely take it 600mi plus drives with one or maybe two charge stop for vacation and family trips. Middle of ME to the tip of NJ. My home is some

  Charged off my 110 outlet since I got to car (about 5 years) to last month when I got a 220v outlet installed as part of another project.

  I don’t get the negativity most people have twords EVs. Everyone is astounded when I say I just plug it into the wall and have to plan longer trips slightly more, like that’s news. And there’s a bunch more DC chargers than when I first started driving an EV - so it’s wayyy easier for new folks to adopt.

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• abhibeckert@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It sounds like you could’ve taken that car back for a warranty claim… depending on your state it should be able to do about 30 miles after either 8 or 15 years, and your was doing less than 20 at 9 years…

  Having said that, draining the battery fully every day will absolutely kill it. It’s not good for the battery to be empty that often. If you get an EV with a 300 mile range and drive it 40 miles per day, charging every day, you probably would’ve go well over a million miles out of that battery.

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  • laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is the real reason I think high mileage batteries are important… I think most people don’t need 300 miles, but a battery that can do that can also be charged to 60% or 80% and charged before going below 20%, which should dramatically improve its life (saving the full capacity for the once in a while longer trips)

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    • abhibeckert@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tesla recommends (and provides software) that limits charging to 80% and when they get to 20% they stop working to charge the battery and you’ll need to call a tow truck… unless there’s a major emergency/evacuation, then they will unlock the last 20% and allow drivers to use the whole thing.

      I don’t think the Volt did that. Maybe newer (and more expensive…) GM EVs do though.

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      • Locrin@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        when they drain as low as 20% they shut down to protect the battery

        Haha what? No that is some serious misinformation. A Tesla might go into a slumber mode when parked for a while, this only means it takes a few seconds to start instead of the instant response if you parked for a short while. , but it will not shut down until sometime AFTER reaching 0%.

        Also, there are now two types of batteries for Tesla cars.

        The Tesla Model 3 RWD’s battery pack uses the LFP chemistry which Tesla recommends charging to 100% at least once per week. Tesla recommends setting the charge limit to 100% for daily use.

        The Tesla Model 3 Long Range and Performance variants uses a different chemistry referred to as NMC. The Tesla Model Y owner’s manual recommends setting the charge limit to 90% for daily use. This will minimise degradation and preserve the longevity of the battery.

        zecar.com/resources/tesla-model-3-charging-guide

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• r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s the problem. They’re basically totaled once the battery is worn out.

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  • ThisOne@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well Ive not quite made it to 100000mi on the odometer. It’s likely I’ll be able to take it to 200000 with no dominated mileage… So that’s about 10-12 years of life for me without a worry. Maybe it goes more, maybe I get in an accident before 2029 (10years of use and I’ll be around 150000mi or less).

    Ive heard people scared are of the batteries. But that fear doesn’t match what I’ve experienced.I had a recall on mine that was not big deal. it’s really not as concerning as it’s made out to be. I’m mostly hoping there’s a better recycling system in place when I do actually need a new battery. But likely the rest of the car will wear out first.

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    • laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve read that used EV batteries that aren’t good for their original purpose anymore can be used for solar storage, so, not recycling but reusing.

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  • laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean… Same with a gas engine for most cars. And the batteries are expected to last about as long as a gas engine.

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    • r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can replace parts on a gas engine. There’s a lot more repairability there.

      Batteries also have a shelf life.

      With that said, e-bikes with a supply of batteries and a means of charging them with portable solar panels are probably better for an extended disaster situation.

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      • darganon@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I have a Tesla because my VW engine died just out of warranty and a junkyard engine was $5k, a new one was $11k, just for the engine, no labor or extraneous parts.

        The world where you can afford an engine replacement but not an electric car is pretty small.

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      • ebc@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Batteries are often the part that has the longest warranty. It’ll be a while before it’s your problem, and even then, costs will probably be down by a lot.

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  • Vacationlandgirl@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So true! ☹️

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  • brlemworld@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That person had a PHEV (2014 Chevy Volt)… It was not totalled, they can still drive it on gas, and the battery is only 16.5kwh, so if you wanted to replace it (though you don’t need to), its only like $5k.

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• Pxtl@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The Prius Prime isn’t too different, in that it’s also a compact PHEV although the battery range is a bit shorter.

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• jose1324@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hyundai Ioniq PHEV is I would say even better.

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