I want to believe. Can you provide sources for that claim?
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UFODivebomb@programming.dev 10 months ago
Stop spreading this BS. SS going bankrupt is misinformation.
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 10 months ago
SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 10 months ago
How about OP provides sources to their claim first.
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 10 months ago
On one hand: fair. If you’re not versed in elements of tax law this but of data can seem arcane.
On the other: this is a matter of policy - not one of research. This the definitive answer can be found rather easily with a Google search. Here’s a link to a Social Security Administration page on the topic: www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/cbb.html
By the math set out at the above link, one can calculate that, at a maximum income of $168,600 and a SS Contribution rate of 6.2%, the most any individual would contribute to social security in a year would be $10,453.20.
$10,453.20 would represent 0.052266% of the income of someone making $20 millions per year. Even doubling that amount (as some conservatives do) to count the employer’s contributions to Social Security would leave you with just over 0.1% of net income.
So yeah, even if Social Security isn’t going bankrupt, it’s an anemic system that barely provides livable circumstances for those who depend on it. Raising or removing that “max income for contributions” limit would go a long way to seeing the system be able to actually support people who need it while only burdening those most able to bear the burden.
Mikesomething@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Is it though?
(From Bard) “The Social Security trust funds are projected to run out of money by 2034. This means that the Social Security administration will only be able to pay out 77% of a retiree’s full benefits.”
Which I get isn’t exactly the same as what OP is claiming, but it is still pretty concerning for those of us not close to retirement age
dx1@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Read any SS Trustee’s report. It doesn’t have “money”, it has debt instruments, which are essentially a document saying “the government (us) owes SS (us) money”.
Asafum@feddit.nl 10 months ago
Don’t they pull from SS funds to pay for other things but then “give it back” at some point? I feel like I read something about that, maybe what’s being paid back isn’t “cash” but bonds?
dx1@lemmy.world 10 months ago
In effect, the bonds I mentioned are just inverted loans. The Treasury takes in $1k from payroll taxes for these programs, issues a bond to the trust fund saying “I owe you $1k plus interest”, spends the $1k on whatever (I guess primarily the discretionary budget) and eventually has to somehow generate money to pay it back with interest.
In terms of whether or not bonds were “borrowed” - this wouldn’t exactly matter in a meaningful sense, but I’m not clear this ever actually happened in the first place. There was some claim about, when the trust fund was mixed with the general fund 1968-1990, maybe the government took bonds out of the program, but you have to remember that inside the government, that’s not something of value, that’s just an obligation the government has to pay to itself, it’s a big nothing burger.
AA5B@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s even more concerning for those of us who are close. Even most of us with savings are pretty reliant on that for retirement
UFODivebomb@programming.dev 10 months ago
Isn’t “exactly” still means the statement “bankrupt” is false. Don’t move goalposts in the claims. That’s disingenuous and only adds to the misinformation.