☝️ people when they’re told “I have an accent” isn’t a valid excuse for choosing to speak in such a way that others don’t know what the fuck you’re even saying
Okay, I looked it up, and it seems I was getting confused with the Australian weak vowel merger; the pin/pen merger is actually in some American accents
I mean, it does if you’re adding for a pen and get a pin. It’s on the speaker to make themselves understood, excepting disabilities. Are you saying being Australian is a disability?
So basically your argument is that an accent or dialect is only valid if it can be understood by people from outside that speech community? German and English both have the same linguistic origins, but they are not mutually intelligible. Does that make either or both invalid ways of speaking? Do you realise that phonological changes are a perfectly natural part of linguistic evolution and, given enough time, speakers of dialect X and dialect Y can stop being able to understand each other? Yes, you can code-switch to make yourself more understandable to speakers of another dialect, but that’s generally what you do when the differences between the two dialects are big enough that you feel the need to change the entire manner in which you speak.
db2@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
☝️ people when they’re told “I have an accent” isn’t a valid excuse for choosing to speak in such a way that others don’t know what the fuck you’re even saying
_Gandalf_the_Black_@feddit.de 7 months ago
Also accents are not people “choosing” to speak another way. It’s just a result of linguistic change.
_Gandalf_the_Black_@feddit.de 7 months ago
I mean, in Australian accents, pen and pin are pronounced the same. That doesn’t make their accent invalid.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 7 months ago
Not here, maybe NZ
_Gandalf_the_Black_@feddit.de 7 months ago
Okay, I looked it up, and it seems I was getting confused with the Australian weak vowel merger; the pin/pen merger is actually in some American accents
db2@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
I mean, it does if you’re adding for a pen and get a pin. It’s on the speaker to make themselves understood, excepting disabilities. Are you saying being Australian is a disability?
_Gandalf_the_Black_@feddit.de 7 months ago
So basically your argument is that an accent or dialect is only valid if it can be understood by people from outside that speech community? German and English both have the same linguistic origins, but they are not mutually intelligible. Does that make either or both invalid ways of speaking? Do you realise that phonological changes are a perfectly natural part of linguistic evolution and, given enough time, speakers of dialect X and dialect Y can stop being able to understand each other? Yes, you can code-switch to make yourself more understandable to speakers of another dialect, but that’s generally what you do when the differences between the two dialects are big enough that you feel the need to change the entire manner in which you speak.