Comment on Six months after The Cage

ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• VindictiveJudge@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Unfortunately, the writers often forget this. VOY waffles a lot on whether or not Tuvok is literally emotionless.

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  • Bonehead@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I thought it was clear? Tuvok is a rage addict that has a bare tenuous grasp on his desire to literally rip Neelix a new one. It's a constant theme through the series, even when they show him as a kid.

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    • VindictiveJudge@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Depending on who’s writing the episode, yeah, and it’s a great concept that I felt was explored well. Other times, however, we have an episode where Tuvok talks at length about the training and conditioning he underwent to control his emotions, then in the very next episode, talk at length about how Vulcans are naturally emotionless and incapable of feeling emotion at all. This chronic lack of consistency in the writers’ room is a big part of why Moore left the show to reboot BSG.

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      • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “Thank God Voyager’s writing was so inconsistent!”

        -Me, a BSG fan

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I actually loved that Tuvok was simultaneously psychopathic, extremely unstable, as well as violent in terms of his emotions, and yet at the same time was an almost perfect Vulcan in his ability to suppress it.

      It really solidified the feeling that maybe Vulcans were right to emotionally discipline themselves the way they did, and make them look like what they do, they do out of real necessity if they want to be a civilised society, as opposed to something they just decided to do because they’re perfect space elves.

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      • Bonehead@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What will really fry your brain is when you think about how the Romulans are really just Vulcans that broke away during the Time Of Awakening. Romulans are suspicious, distrusting, and secretive...which makes sense when you're surrounded by unstable psychopaths that started a nuclear war. But they aren't as violent or ruthless as Vulcans use to be. So really, Romulans are just the sane stable Vulcans that decided to flee the psychopaths that threatened to kill them all. And now the psychopaths look down their noses at their emotional yet mentally stable cousins.

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  • aeronmelon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Tuvok is just an overachiever.

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    • ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Tuvok is just your typical Rick Berman male that has bottled up his emotions so long he’s convinced himself that he doesn’t have any until he’s nearly killed by his own unfulfilled lust.

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  • somas@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    @VindictiveJudge

    ~~ VOY waffles a lot ~~
    Voyager is by far the most inconsistently written Trek there is. This results in some horrible episodes.

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• FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is the sort of serious response I’ve come to respect here at Risa.

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