Shit, the Bible says that the rapture would happen before a particular apostle would die. Yet, here we are without a 2000 year old apostle.
Wait what, really?
June@lemm.ee 10 months ago
They’ve believed the end is near for 2000 years.
Shit, the Bible says that the rapture would happen before a particular apostle would die. Yet, here we are without a 2000 year old apostle.
The gymnastics to make it make sense are that he had a vision of the end when he ‘wrote’ Revelations.
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 10 months ago
June@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Matthew 16:28
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 9:1
And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.
Luke 9:27
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God
Re saying John wouldn’t die, that’s actually an inference but a not uncommon theological belief among evangelicals. John 21:20-23
“20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”
22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”” .
Cranakis@lemmy.one 10 months ago
Matthew 24:34 (Jesus is speaking answering the question of when he will return): “Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.”
June@lemm.ee 10 months ago
That is another, yes.
profdc9@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Well there happens to be one man who qualifies.
adam_b@infosec.pub 10 months ago
akhial@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Never said such a thing, Mohammed CLEARLY states that he doesn’t know when the world will end in several famous hadith.
In fact Mohammed said the world wouldn’t end until several things happen not the other way around.
Some of which are already happening now. Like the arabs competing to build tall buildings.
If you want to challenge this point bring a source and the we can talk.
My source: Sahih Al-Bukhari hadith number 50
adam_b@infosec.pub 9 months ago
akhial@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You make three points, correct me if I’m wrong:
For 1: The burden of proof is on you, you have failed to give any examples in your reply as I will now show.
For 2: The prophet made hundreds of predictions in his life time some of which have already come to pass. You are correct in that a single good prediction doesn’t conclusively prove anything, however, having an unbroken record of good predictions with zero failed is proof enough for the pragmatist person.
And the prophet has never made a false prediction. Many so-called oracles have come after him and all of them have at least on failed prediction (Nostradamus for example).
For 3: You misunderstood the hadith, from the translation it says “your Last Hour” and the meaning stands in Arabic.
The meaning of their last hour is their own deaths not the calamity of Qiyama. And it came to pass that they all died before that young child.
This is well known for average muslims.
This is even made clear in the parentheses “he would see you dying”.
A video a brother made with some predictions of the prophet that have already came to pass: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZIqd_-1Zus
Hotmailer@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You’re full of crap. I’m Muslim and Mohammed was very clear in stating how the world would end. Including how the US will be three islands way before that due to an impact of a comet. The prophecies are very detailed. Google minor and major signs of qiyama
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
what if it did end and this is actual purgatory?